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Re: Uber CEO to take leave

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Post by sidlls »

dvt wrote: post #160
sidlls wrote: post #156

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That something can occur has only superficial relation to whether it ought to be to be discussed in a given setting. Your comment reads as if you have little understanding of how women are treated in our culture.

> That something can occur has only superficial relation to whether it ought to be to be discussed in a given setting. Given the setting (an alcohol-filled after-work work party), I fundamentally disagree. > Your comment reads as if you have little understanding of how women are treated in our culture. My comment didn't mention women, men, or anything in between, because, hey, men sometimes have sex with men! You'll…

"inner Scalia"? "Straw man?"

You're being dismissive and aggressive to what purpose?

Re: Uber CEO to take leave

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Post by RepressedEmu »

Balgair wrote: post #73
Stryder wrote: post #43

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TK has the unfortunate habit of leaving a trail of history of screwing his employees, and that shit stinks, and sticks. You either: Treat your employees well such that they will go to war for you because protecting your interests is as important as protecting themselves and their own interests. OR Be the unbendable, spotless and ruthlessly calculating leader raising a horde of mindless robots. You churn them out and…

Machiavelli outlined the choice in 'The Prince': To be loved to to be feared? Remember the the conclusion the Italian came to: Fear is more stable, become feared.

Machiavelli also warns not to become hated which seems to be a growing sentiment from the industry towards Uber.

Re: Uber CEO to take leave

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Post by negativ0 »

dvt wrote: post #160
sidlls wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That something can occur has only superficial relation to whether it ought to be to be discussed in a given setting. Your comment reads as if you have little understanding of how women are treated in our culture.

> That something can occur has only superficial relation to whether it ought to be to be discussed in a given setting. Given the setting (an alcohol-filled after-work work party), I fundamentally disagree. > Your comment reads as if you have little understanding of how women are treated in our culture. My comment didn't mention women, men, or anything in between, because, hey, men sometimes have sex with men! You'll…

lol, next time read the philosophy books better

Re: Uber CEO to take leave

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Post by canes123456 »

dvt wrote: post #39
exogeny wrote: post #31

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He presided over a culture of widespread sexual harassment that has been echoed repeatedly by multiple employees and you don't really understand why he's being criticized? Cool story, bro.

Uber has 12000 employees; 20 were reprimanded for sexual harassment. That's 0.001%

HR lie to multiple victims of harassment to protect the harasser. This does not happen in normal companies. This is not about the number of harassers, but systemic protecting of them.

Re: Uber CEO to take leave

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Post by sushid »

bjl wrote: post #159
kolbe wrote: post #140

Law obviously isn't the same thing as morality. SS soldiers also didn't break any laws, while Oskar Schindler was a criminal by legal definition. You may see an attitude that doesn't bend over to all decrees from the government as "rotten," but the most interesting and intelligent people I've ever met wouldn't agree.

Are you seriously comparing the murder of millions of Jews to a multinational corporation ignoring taxi regulations? Uber fanboys have lost their minds.

His analogy was definitely bad, but he's right. Legality does not equate morality. However, I do find it weird that they would ask you to describe an instance where you broke the law during a job interview.

Re: Uber CEO to take leave

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Post by kunaalarya »

dvt wrote: post #117
burkaman wrote: post #97

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I could be missing some shady history, but off the top of my head how about Square? Edit: Dropbox, Craigslist, GitHub, PayPal, Instagram, Tesla, SpaceX, Twitter Anyone feel free to jump in if I'm ignoring any exploitation or shadiness. Bad examples: Spotify and Snapchat.

Snapchat? The early version of the app was literally only used by sexting teenagers in Orange County high schools.

No. That's what out of touch adults in tech thought.

Re: Uber CEO to take leave

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Post by burkaman »

bjl wrote: post #158
burkaman wrote: post #97

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I could be missing some shady history, but off the top of my head how about Square? Edit: Dropbox, Craigslist, GitHub, PayPal, Instagram, Tesla, SpaceX, Twitter Anyone feel free to jump in if I'm ignoring any exploitation or shadiness. Bad examples: Spotify and Snapchat.

SpaceX and Tesla both have a long history of extremely shady labor practices.

Can't edit my comment anymore, but good point.

Re: Uber CEO to take leave

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Post by dvt »

sidlls wrote: post #161
dvt wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> That something can occur has only superficial relation to whether it ought to be to be discussed in a given setting. Given the setting (an alcohol-filled after-work work party), I fundamentally disagree. > Your comment reads as if you have little understanding of how women are treated in our culture. My comment didn't mention women, men, or anything in between, because, hey, men sometimes have sex with men! You'll…

"inner Scalia"? "Straw man?" You're being dismissive and aggressive to what purpose?

"Inner Scalia" was a joke because you're reading too much into what I said and Scalia was, famously, a staunch textualist.

And your straw man is this: "Your comment reads as if you have little understanding of how women are treated in our culture."

Re: Uber CEO to take leave

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Post by 65827 »

zoomzippity wrote: post #18
mothers wrote: post #3

One of his parents died and the other was severely injured, no? Who wouldn't take leave under those circumstances?

Buried at the very very bottom of the article as a footnote. Glossing over the tragedy of unexpectedly losing one's mother and almost losing One's father. The media reporting on Uber absolutely disgusts me and demonstrates a culture far more toxic than anything I've heard about Uber. My bet is that the media doesn't make public any email from Travis about this because it will likely show how the media is grossly misr…

My corporate overlord is the good one!

Re: Uber CEO to take leave

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Post by barsonme »

rajathagasthya wrote: post #131
barsonme wrote: post #64

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Why not flip it around a bit: what percentage do you think? Don't get me wrong, I'm not advocating for Uber or sexual harassment or any nonsense like that. I (seriously) just want to know if you're advocating for giving every company with a > 0.0% harassment rate the Uber treatment.

I'm not the one dismissing a blatant problem based on a tiny percentage value. We've seen in various accounts that many incidents were swept under the rug because the person was a supposed "high performer". Then there is the recent email issue. This suggests that the problem is top-down in the company. When the problem is top-down, surely you deserve such treatment?

Right! The issue is management sweeping the allegations under the rug.

A lot of the hate towards Uber in these threads seems to be about the number of allegations, not that they were swept under the rug (in my opinion at least–I don't read HN religiously).

That, I think, leads us to where we are right now: a comment thread that's basically about "what's the minimum number of sexual harassments can occur before a company has a 'problem'?"

I'm not trying to pick on you, so I apologize if I come across that way.

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