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Ringless voice mails from telemarketers

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post #52

A nail in the coffin for voice mail, which I hardly check at all anyway. Automatic transcription has made thee easier to ignore, but if the volume goes up I'll just disable voice mail completely. I'm not sure anybody actually listens to their messages any more and so I rarely leave them. After all, if it's important, why would you call at all?

I see death of conventional telephony.

POTS is dow to VOIP, voice chat, highly constrained accept policies.

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The article doesn't describe how the technology works. Due to the slow speed (100 voicemail/min) its likely what they are doing is initiating a call far enough for the phone system to busy out your phone, then very quickly placing a second call that the phone system sends straight to voicemail as your phone is busy. Once this call starts to hit voicemail, the original call is dropped. I doubt phone companies let peop…

But the first call would ring then.

No, the two calls are dialled concurrently with a skew such that call A finishes dialling moments before call B. Call B immediately goes to voicemail because the line is locked setting up call A. Call A disconnects before the phone starts to ring, but after the network has routed call B to voicemail.

Edit: clarified.

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post #79

Anyone else in a situation where you're receiving robocalls ten times a day? Hard to believe, but I can show screenshots as proof. I just counted. It's four times per day, like clockwork. Then there are various other robocalls that come in every couple days. So sometimes it's 4 per day, sometimes it's up to 7. It's mildly annoying, but is there any other option than to just ignore it or keep blocking the endless new…

Be careful about leaking your phone number online, such as in whois data or other places. I started an LLC a few years ago and my god the number of spam calls I got, it was absolutely ludicrous (I still get them to this day, although it's now on the order of 2 a month)

Oh god, not just phone calls, but mail, too. And they make some weird connections. I once got a credit card offer that was addressed to me and a woman who's name I did not recognize. It took me a few minutes to realize that she and her husband ran the ISP I used. I was the business contact for my domain, but she was the technical contact since she was at the hosting company. Luckily my spouse is a very understanding person! She was like, "Why are you getting credit card offers with this other woman's name on them?"

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#164
post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is getting a new number a bad option for you?

I have had several friends and colleagues get new numbers and immediately be hounded by collection agencies looking for the old owner of the number. Some of these collection agencies also stared sending postal mail to their homes based on the linking this new number with their addresses.

There's an easy way to stop this. After it happens call the police and say you're getting harassing calls. They'll file a police report. You then call the phone company and tell them you've been getting harassing calls, have a police report, and would like to put a trace on your line. They'll give you a phone number to call. Whenever you get a debt collector calling you, you dial the number. After 3 or 4 calls, the police will contact the debt collector and tell them to stop calling you. They will.

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post #98

Anyone else in a situation where you're receiving robocalls ten times a day? Hard to believe, but I can show screenshots as proof. I just counted. It's four times per day, like clockwork. Then there are various other robocalls that come in every couple days. So sometimes it's 4 per day, sometimes it's up to 7. It's mildly annoying, but is there any other option than to just ignore it or keep blocking the endless new…

If you're on Android, there's call-blocking apps that let you do various kinds of blacklist/whitelist call screening. For now, I block spammy numbers and unknown/private numbers. If it gets bad, I'll move to a whitelist (only people on my contact list ring through). It's galling beyond belief that any political party anywhere would let the abuse of the phone system become a free speech issue. These people are activel…

These exist for most phones and provider. However, having read the terms of service on them, they pretty much collect a bunch of data about you for marketing purposes, so it kind of defeats the point. They will, for example, collect the numbers of everyone who calls you. (They have to be able to do that in order to look up and block calls from known spammers.) No thanks.

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Anyone else in a situation where you're receiving robocalls ten times a day? Hard to believe, but I can show screenshots as proof. I just counted. It's four times per day, like clockwork. Then there are various other robocalls that come in every couple days. So sometimes it's 4 per day, sometimes it's up to 7. It's mildly annoying, but is there any other option than to just ignore it or keep blocking the endless new…

This is a funny routine: http://sfglobe.com/?id=18461

Also:

> The Jolly Roger Telephone Co.

> Tired of telemarketers? Now you can turn the tables on them with this clever bot.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/202664225/the-jolly-rog...

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post #23
post #10

People still use voice mail? I don't believe I've encountered one in at least a decade...

I changed my message to say please don't leave me voicemail but they did anyways. So I got rid of it and I like not having it

It's like a computer dialog box. Just as users don't read dialog boxes, phone users don't listen to the message at all. They just wait until the beep and start talking. I used to have a home phone that had voice mail boxes and we had a message that said, "To leave a message for husband, press 1, to leave a message for wife press 2." It had a default mailbox if the user didn't press anything. 95% of calls went to the default mailbox. People are idiots.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's exactly how it works. While I was at Twilio, we figured out how to do it - mostly from a customer abusing the system - and shut them down at the time. The problem was that it wasn't complicated enough that it would take long for others to figure out. The problem I noted at the time is that since we only charged for minutes during the call, the first call - which was dialed and immediately dropped - would never…

I am a big fan of twillio, but I suspect that they or companies like it are contributing to the problem. I would like everyone that uses a telephone API to be required to register a bond. If they are found abusing the system, they will lose the bond and be banned from using ANY companies telephone system. That telephony companies do not take the opportunity fix tbe actual problem makes me think a court may be able to…

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post #37

I disabled voicemail a long time ago, never going back. I educated my contacts to retry or send a text, worked well so far.

So what happens when, for example, you're trying to get a home loan to buy a new house, and the loan officer is an older person who doesn't use texts? (This is something real that recently happened to me, and for which a phone and voicemail were indispensable.)

I find that while I can do what you suggest for friends and family, there are just enough situations where I can't do that, that I need to still have voicemail. Doctors offices that robocall to remind you of an appointment are another one. The occasional lawyer, or other professional who have a particular way of doing things. Getting rid of phone and/or voicemail just isn't a realistic option for a lot of people.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The spam call filter is arguably one of the best benefits of using a Google Voice number. My spam call and voicemail folder is full of SEO, payday loan, and other outright scam messages. Just activate the filter and you never see these calls unless you go into the spam interface on the Voice site. You can manually add a number to your spam block but most calls are auto-blocked against a list of known offenders.

I use google voice (hangouts?) and get 3 to 6 robo voicemails a day. They are 2-5 seconds in length, and empty.

You have to activate spam call filtering, it is not on by default.
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