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Re: Windows 10 Enterprise ignores various privacy settings

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Post by gambiting »

sathackr wrote: post #76
benjaminjackman wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I switched about 10 years ago. Before that I was windows 100% on desktop. I had similar issues at first but gradually became pretty comfortable with Ubuntu and Linux in general. Some things are more of a pain and may always be in Linux but overall the experience for me has been that things have been getting easier with time. I think that for better or worse as more applications move to the web the change will be easi…

I don't mind the questions at all. I hope you didn't want the TL;DR version. Some of my pain points. Many probably have solutions, but I'm stuck between spending time dealing with it the way it is, and spending time finding a solution. These are not in any particular order: 1. Serial communication(terminal, for interfacing with console ports). I tried a few programs that didn't really work right away, and settled on…

I don't understand how people aren't screaming about point 10 - I haven't had a linux distro which didn't do that, Ubuntu, Mint, Fedora, Arch - they all had this exact issue.

I close my laptop, it goes into sleep mode, I open the screen and my desktop is just there, I can happily use the browser, open apps, run commands, whatever, and then 10-20 seconds later the lock screen kicks in. It's insane that the architecture of the system even allows it to happen.

Re: Windows 10 Enterprise ignores various privacy settings

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Post by josefx »

Findeton wrote: post #128
DonkeyChan wrote: post #15

MS Support consistently and repeatedly told me that enterprise allowed me to disable this stuff. If I can't control the egress then I can't verify PCI compliance. I've already had to revert a client to Win 7 because they failed a PCI compliance audit using Win 10 Enterprise. Which, by the way, is very expensive for small businesses. Win 10 Enterprise isn't viable for business. I have a bunch of small business clients…

Or you could simply use Linux.

Use Linux and blacklist any package that calls home. Ubuntus Amazon search integration wont be the only black sheep out there.

Re: Windows 10 Enterprise ignores various privacy settings

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Post by jmnicolas »

kalleboo wrote: post #135
danielcberman wrote: post #61

Has anyone done an analysis of MacOS and Chrome OS using similar methodologies? I would be curious as to the extent of the information being sent back to each of the "Mother Ships" in a side by side comparison, if that's even possible.

Little Snitch is a popular bit of software on the Mac, and pretty much everyone who uses thst goes through the first week of googling "so what's this weird background process do?"

A software firewall is useless, the OS can hide from it. You need something external to your machine to be sure.

Re: Windows 10 Enterprise ignores various privacy settings

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Post by omginternets »

DonkeyChan wrote: post #15

MS Support consistently and repeatedly told me that enterprise allowed me to disable this stuff. If I can't control the egress then I can't verify PCI compliance. I've already had to revert a client to Win 7 because they failed a PCI compliance audit using Win 10 Enterprise. Which, by the way, is very expensive for small businesses. Win 10 Enterprise isn't viable for business. I have a bunch of small business clients…

>MS Support consistently and repeatedly told me that enterprise allowed me to disable this stuff. If I can't control the egress then I can't verify PCI compliance.

Not that this is necessarily the best solution, but these sound like damages to me.

Perhaps a class-action suit may come of this?

Re: Windows 10 Enterprise ignores various privacy settings

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Post by cm2187 »

flukus wrote: post #103
DonkeyChan wrote: post #18

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I can't agree with this more. A client straight up failed a PCI compliance audit, replete with daily fines, for using 10 Enterprise. They decided to pursue legal measures against MS for false claims. I really hope this gets elevated because reverting to win 7 is a solution with a short life span. The other solution is to rebuild infrastructure on top of a different platform but that's prohibitively expensive.

> The other solution is to rebuild infrastructure on top of a different platform but that's prohibitively expensive. I really don't have a lot of sympathy for companies that lock themselves in to a proprietary platform.

How do you achieve that? You can't run everything off the web. And even then very few technologies will be truly cross platform on the server side.

Re: Windows 10 Enterprise ignores various privacy settings

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Post by cm2187 »

ddevault wrote: post #47

The switch to Linux or other free operating systems is long overdue. If your excuse is hardware support, then (1) your hardware is probably supported these days and (2) you should not buy hardware that is incompatible with the operating system you plan to use. If your excuse is editing MS Office files, LibreOffice supports the formats and works great, and MS Office on Wine is an option. If your excuse is games, then…

LibreOffice is fine for basic features. But in a corporate environment you often have lots of addins to interoperate with lots of systems which won't play well with LibreOffice

Re: Windows 10 Enterprise ignores various privacy settings

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Post by flukus »

cm2187 wrote: post #165
flukus wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The other solution is to rebuild infrastructure on top of a different platform but that's prohibitively expensive. I really don't have a lot of sympathy for companies that lock themselves in to a proprietary platform.

How do you achieve that? You can't run everything off the web. And even then very few technologies will be truly cross platform on the server side.

Heaps of server side tools are truly cross platform, but I was talking about avoiding proprietary platforms in the first place, which means no windows, or at least no windows tech that doesn't conform to open standards.

Typically business will build there own software on top of MS (or oracle, or ) tech as well, locking them in further to several years of "investment".

Re: Windows 10 Enterprise ignores various privacy settings

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Post by cm2187 »

skrebbel wrote: post #148
int_19h wrote: post #118

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You're making the same exact argument that people trying to push Linux on the desktop were making 10 years ago, and 15 years (and probably before that, it's just that's when I started dabbling in that stuff). It boils down to "it works for me, and if it doesn't work for you because of X, Y and Z, then you should just stop doing that". You can judge for yourself just how persuasive this argument really is by looking a…

The argument is the same, but Linux desktops did get a lot better, and with better support, since then. There's now multiple distros with great UX to choose from (as opposed to "learn xfree86 and stop whining") and indeed Wine works great with lots of programs. I say this as an avid Windows 10 user. IMHO there's still a usability gap (which is why I'm on Windows), but it's narrowing. GP's argument has a lot more meri…

Driver support is only part of the problem (but still a problem). The absence of self discoverability / the RTFM approach of linux will always create a ceiling in term of adoption outside of professional developers. Except when you stick a consumer GUI and specialised hardware on top (android/chromeOS). But these are not general desktops on which people can work.

Re: Windows 10 Enterprise ignores various privacy settings

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Post by dijit »

skrebbel wrote: post #146
Sir_Cmpwn wrote: post #79

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Well, my definition of "works" is that you can read it. Authoring new documents should use ODF. And again, MS Office works on Wine, so you can use that in the worst case.

You're really undermining your own argument here, even though you started out very well. If I send an ODF to my lawyer, investor or accountant they're going to panic.

That's disingenuous. Word has supported odt and odf for both read and write, for nearly a decade already. (2008 version supported it from preliminary checking)

Re: Windows 10 Enterprise ignores various privacy settings

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Post by jmkni »

flukus wrote: post #101
fl0wenol wrote: post #58

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Use LTSB. Microsoft tries to scare you into not using it because it doesn't support the Windows store or Edge or have telemetry or any of that fun stuff. But they keep coming out with respins of it to otherwise keep feature parity with CB Enterprise. A 2017 LTSB based on 1703 should be out soon.

> Microsoft tries to scare you into not using it because it doesn't support the Windows store or Edge or have telemetry or any of that fun stuff. Scare me? It sounds like those awesome stripped down versions of XP that pirates removed all the cruft from back in the day.

You were able to do it yourself with nLite.

Memories!

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