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U.S. To Ban Laptops in All Cabins of Flights from Europe

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I dont think that Europeans are self centered, I think the people complaining about being required to check in their laptops to prevent likely terrorist attacks are being self centered in doing so. The government cant clone or access your information just because you put it in storage rather than carry on.

I will complain because we have zero evidence of credible threat, and a huge amount of evidence of incompetence on the part of the agencies tasked with securing air travel. I will complain because the world is full of people who confuse "we did something " with "we did the right thing ". I will complain because people seem to turn off their critical-thinking faculties when it comes to travel and security. I will comp…

>I will complain because we have zero evidence of credible threat,

because you didn't read the article where it talked about the evidence of a credible threat.

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post #95

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I dont think that Europeans are self centered, I think the people complaining about being required to check in their laptops to prevent likely terrorist attacks are being self centered in doing so. The government cant clone or access your information just because you put it in storage rather than carry on.

> I think the people complaining about being required to check in their laptops to prevent likely terrorist attacks are being self centered in doing so. Since the current administration has a credibility problem, people just think it's ridiculous security theater. Incredible claims require incredible evidence. >the very real threat of deadly terrorist attacks Are you trolling? The following is a list of "threats" mor…

You make it sound like Donald Trump himself dug up the terrorist plans and issued the order. In all likelihood he wasn't even aware of it until after it was issued, it's not the president's duty to oversee stuff like this. This order was issued by the DHS, the head of which is John Kelly who is hardly a Trump lapdog.

If the position of the users of this forum is that everything to US government does for the next four years is wrong just because Trump holds the executive seat - then we need to have a 4 year politics ban because this is going to be unbearable. This has nothing to do with Trump and the fact that he is even being brought up in this discussion is crazy.

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One of the advantageous to living in California is that when I go overseas, I can tell people I'm Californian, rather than American. Because people's ideas of CA is 1) LA/Hollywood, 2) SF/SV, 3) Yosemite / Tahoe, you get a pretty different response.

Outside of the US, people will just see you as an American.

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> And even then, very few will know the cultural difference between, say, California and Tennessee or Alabama. As an Australian, I will say I think most Australians understand there are cultural differences between California and Tennessee or Alabama, and could probably even identify what some of the differences are (even if incompletely and overly simplistically). Australians would probably struggle to explain the c…

Understanding that there are differences is one thing, knowing what they are is a whole other. Unless you know anything about those areas, you're still going to simply think "China". I'm not saying they'll refuse the idea of differences. Maybe this is a cultural thing, with Australians generally having better geographical understanding than Scandinavians? Up here in Scandinavia, China and USA are both just large coun…

I think you are correct that most (Americans at least) don't know any cultural differences between Chinese cities unless they have a personal tie to knowing them, such as business or relationships.

And yet I was still taken aback when you described how little you know about California. I had assumed being on a site like ycombinator, which is arguably the most famous startup incubator, based in sillicon valley, the most famous startup hub, that you would know many globally dominant companies (uber, google, apple, facebook, netflix, twitter, intel, adobe, etc, etc) are headquartered/founded there, not just a few sorta successful IT companies.

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post #162

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> I think the people complaining about being required to check in their laptops to prevent likely terrorist attacks are being self centered in doing so. Since the current administration has a credibility problem, people just think it's ridiculous security theater. Incredible claims require incredible evidence. >the very real threat of deadly terrorist attacks Are you trolling? The following is a list of "threats" mor…

You make it sound like Donald Trump himself dug up the terrorist plans and issued the order. In all likelihood he wasn't even aware of it until after it was issued, it's not the president's duty to oversee stuff like this. This order was issued by the DHS, the head of which is John Kelly who is hardly a Trump lapdog. If the position of the users of this forum is that everything to US government does for the next four…

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.

Please stop making this a Trump issue. It has nothing to do with him. As I stated, the threat from terrorism is so tiny as to be not worth mentioning under our current security status. The order itself is ridiculous beyond belief. You can still have phones, tablets or any number of other electronic devices than run on lithium ion batteries made into explosives. You wouldn't need much blast force in a confined space like an airplane cabin since the explosive pressure increases because of reflection. Simple solution to this ban, carry on two iPads.

The main point is I'm more worried dying on my daily walk around the block than this "threat" as the TSA has never stopped a would-be terrorist from boarding a plane.

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One of the advantageous to living in California is that when I go overseas, I can tell people I'm Californian, rather than American. Because people's ideas of CA is 1) LA/Hollywood, 2) SF/SV, 3) Yosemite / Tahoe, you get a pretty different response.

Just a note on wording - I think saying "I'm Californian" sounds weird even to someone from the US. Saying "I'm from California" or "I'm from Los Angeles" is more common / expected.

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One of the advantageous to living in California is that when I go overseas, I can tell people I'm Californian, rather than American. Because people's ideas of CA is 1) LA/Hollywood, 2) SF/SV, 3) Yosemite / Tahoe, you get a pretty different response.

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14314451 and marked it off-topic.

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What seatback displays? Many airlines (the US3 at least) are moving towards the WiFi+bring-your-own-device model.

I fly a lot (mostly in Asia) and I have never been on a flight that doesn't have them.

Last year, I flew United San Francisco to Seoul on a 747. None of the seats in economy class had a monitor in the seat. But they did have Wi-Fi service for the movies.

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> And even then, very few will know the cultural difference between, say, California and Tennessee or Alabama. As an Australian, I will say I think most Australians understand there are cultural differences between California and Tennessee or Alabama, and could probably even identify what some of the differences are (even if incompletely and overly simplistically). Australians would probably struggle to explain the c…

Understanding that there are differences is one thing, knowing what they are is a whole other. Unless you know anything about those areas, you're still going to simply think "China". I'm not saying they'll refuse the idea of differences. Maybe this is a cultural thing, with Australians generally having better geographical understanding than Scandinavians? Up here in Scandinavia, China and USA are both just large coun…

I would have thought most educated Australians understand the difference between "red states" and "blue states", and would identify California as a "blue state" and Alabama and Tennessee as "red states". (The "red state"/"blue state" terminology only dates to the 2000 election, but the reality it refers to is older than the label.) California is on average politically much more left-leaning than Alabama/Tennessee, and on average significantly less religious. And the difference between a West Coast accent and a Southern accent. Obviously that kind of mental model of the US is simplifying a lot of things, but it does accurately identify some real differences in US culture.

I am university-educated, and so are most of my family and friends, so I'd imagine less educated people may on average have a simpler mental model of the US. If you watch Australian TV news, there is frequest coverage of US national politics (regular but shallow on the commercial networks, serious and in-depth on public broadcasting), so I don't think it is uncommon for Australians to acquire this sort of basic understanding of the US. Even people who don't watch the TV news or read the newspaper are likely to watch a lot of US TV shows and movies, and so tend to acquire a basic (if simplistic and distorted) understanding of US culture through that.

Maybe there is less coverage of the US in the Scandinavian media? Australia is probably more influenced by the US than the global average, although I thought US media exports were popular in most countries on earth, and US politics arguably gets more international coverage than the politics of any other country.

> They will have heard of Tibet, but won't know the dynamics between Tibet and mainland, or even Hong Kong and mainland.

I would have thought most educated people would know at least a little bit about the dynamics between Tibet and the Chinese government. Again, I don't know what is in the news in Scandinavia, but there have for years been frequent stories in Australian media about the conflict between the Dalai Lama and Beijing–every time the Dalai Lama visits Australia (he's been here several times), Beijing complains about his visit, and the possibility that he might meet Australian politicans, and the controversy is reported in the media. Sympathy for the cause of Tibetan independence is common (although certainly not universal) in Australia, and I thought that was true of the US as well. Even people whose media consumption is much more low-brow than mine would probably remember Richard Gere's outspoken support for it.

The conflict between Beijing and the Uighurs in Xinjiang gets global media coverage too, so I'd expect a lot of people have at least heard of it, although it hasn't impacted the popular consciousness to anywhere near the same degree as the Tibet issue has. In 2009, Uighur activist Rebiya Kadeer visited Australia, and the Chinese government got very upset over the whole thing, and that led to extensive coverage in the Australian media. (She's come back again since, but subsequent visits didn't receive the same attention; most people probably couldn't remember her name, I myself had forgotten it, but I remembered the furore.)

I can remember Australian media coverage of the Hong Kong democracy movement from pre-handover times to today. The umbrella protest movement of 2014 received extensive media coverage in Australia.

Possibly China gets less news coverage in the US or Scandinavia than Australia, so it may well be true that the average American or Scandinavian knows less about China than the average Australian does.

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