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Post by jherdman »

kinetik wrote: post #86
jherdman wrote: post #27

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HTML5 is a documentation spec, not a video encoder. I think you knew that, but language is surprisingly precise, so before commenting I wanted to ensure that we were talking about the same thing. Having got that out of the way, the HTML5 spec for the VIDEO tag is a bit tenuous at the moment. Though the API is laid out in full, there are essentially three competing encodings vying for the default: Ogg/Vorbis, MPEG-4,…

Only Mozilla supports Ogg Chrome/Chromium and Opera also support Ogg Theora/Vorbis out of the box.

Many thanks. I hadn't realized that.

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Post by tel »

SkyMarshal wrote: post #123
ugh wrote: post #97

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I had this strange idea today when I read that Jobs invited Ive to the stage at the end of the keynote when he introduced video chat. Is Ive a possible future CEO of Apple? Job’s successor? Is that at all plausible or possible? He doesn’t get much time on stage, in fact I can’t even remember when and if he ever was on stage last. Pretty much everyone else you see in those videos is on stage quite often. They are doin…

Yeah, I think everyone wonders that too. I have no idea what Ive's other skills are. Maybe he is best left as Apple's lead industrial designer, and maybe that's what he loves and wants to do more than anything else. Or maybe he also has the leadership skills, communication skills, vision, judgement, and business sense to succeed Jobs. I have no idea, and honestly don't ever expect to until years after the succession…

One thing I wonder a lot is how much time Jobs might be or begin to spend coaching a successor. Even if Ive doesn't have the leadership chops, he could be standing in the heir position and learning as fast as he can.

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Post by younata »

ugh wrote: post #57
younata wrote: post #45

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I run midori [1] on a freebsd machine, it works somewhat well (audio problems) with html5 video on youtube. Quicktime is not a fallback, it's still the standard. edit: forgot the link [1] http://www.twotoasts.de/

I fired up Chrome and here is what I saw: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4073000/chrome.png They seem to do some evil browser sniffing (I have no confirmation but that’s how it looks) and indeed use QuickTime as a fallback if you use any other browser than Safari. Apple, listen: Thou Shalt Detect Features, Not Browsers! :)

http://i49.tinypic.com/ws0boj.png

I have midori identifying as safari - it works well enough for google to at least not give me crap for using something different, and I still see the "you need quicktime to view this" stuff.

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Post by mkramlich »

guelo wrote: post #149
hackermom wrote: post #22

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Yes, I'm both laughing and crying at the same time, but I've slowly accepted that this is how certain people "compete" here, and how they, in addition to comments, "express" themselves here on HN.

Is there a reason that I never see -5 on HN? Does the comment dissapear after -4?

-4 is the lowest a comment can go. I suspect it's to prevent the author from losing too much karma. At worst, he can lose 5 karma from a single comment that the community doesn't like.

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Post by eelco »

snom370 wrote: post #67
trezor wrote: post #58

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Except you have to call first to verify that whoever you are calling is on wifi. In Europe where wifi is something you have to search for and 3G is something which is everywhere, this renders the feature absolutely useless.

I don't have to search for wifi at home or in the office, and that's where I spend most of the time. Even so, I'm pretty sure Apple has thought this through, making it quick and easy to discover if someone is online, and even invite them through push notifications. They did mention that they "had some details to work out" with the operators, which means that we will probably see video calls on 3G at some point in the…

Not all 3G technology supports a data connection when there is also a voice connection.

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Post by nailer »

ugh wrote: post #142
nailer wrote: post #138

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Really? For me it sucked when they added it to iPhone - scroll down, read something interesting, and while your finger pauses before you can scroll down, there's a stupid dialog bothering you. Android cut and paste has never taken a pause in scrolling to mean cut and paste for me, and I;m glad I upgraded.

That can’t happen. At least not if you don’t take your finger off the screen before touching and holding.

Well it did. Double negative aside, saying it will be fixed happen if I change my old iPhone scrolling behavior doesn't help either.

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Post by ZeroGravitas »

papachito wrote: post #158
ugh wrote: post #102

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Ok, now I’m really intrigued. My browser sniffing theory doesn’t seem to be the (complete) truth, either.

It does do browser sniffing, it works on his ubuntu because he's using firefox with the mplayer plugin that can read h264.

One missing detail: On Ubuntu the native multimedia plugin actually pretends to be Quicktime, so that Linux users aren't locked out of Quicktime delivered material.

(For me the video was quite low quality, possibly it doesn't fake the bitrate management stuff correctly and just gives you the lowest quality available)

Re: Iphone 4.0 official video

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Post by ZeroGravitas »

snom370 wrote: post #122
buster wrote: post #93

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Actually, i disagree to call H.264 "open" which is also on that slide. I mean, you are right, there is a list of open protocols, he could've also added tcp, ip, dns, ntp, etc. to it. It just seems so contradictory when Steve dedicated a whole slide for the word "open" and in the end presents an iphone-to-iphone technology.

As I said, it remains to be seen how open it will actually be. But at least all of these standards are either completely open or available for licensing, so unless they have added some "secret sauce" on top (for instance that iPhones will only ever talk to other iPhones through Apples discovery service) then it's a good starting point. AFAIK, H.264 is an open standard. That it's patented and not royalty free doesn't…

"Open Standard" means patent royalty free. You'll find plenty of Apple pundits like Gruber who'll dispute this due to Apple getting behind H.264 for web video, but Apple themselves (and standards bodies like MPEG or W3C) don't use the term incorrectly. Apple have sailed pretty close to the wind though, using phrasing like "open and standard technologies" and then including technologies that are standard, but not open standards.

I thought I caught them referring to something that wasn't as an "Open Standard" in the keynote but I've not had time to check, but certainly they've been very careful not to previously. (I think the phrasing might have been "open industry standard").

But in, for example, Thoughts on Flash, the phrase "open standard" is used repeatedly to refer to HTML5, CSS, Javascript etc. and portrayed as a very good quality for these things to have but when H.264 is mentioned it is referred to just as an "industry standard".

http://www.apple.com/hotnews/thoughts-on-flash/

Also Skype, along with Broadcom and Xiph, are working on a royalty-free voice codec at IETF and have offered their codecs and patents as the basis for that work. For video Skype use VP7 and Google hasn't made any big announcement but it's clear they're positioning VP8 as a Video Chat codec as well as for Web Video within the WebM container. I see Apple's announcement mostly as a half-hearted spoiler for that, kind of like Microsoft's OOXML versus ODF.

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