Shenzhen is a hothouse of innovation

Post by [deleted] » Sun, Apr 09, 2017, 4:41 AM UTC

nojvek wrote: post #140

candiodari wrote: post #122

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You know, there is justification for lobbying, and to some extent I would even say it is a strength of our society rather than a weakness. Lobbying informs decision makers, in a non-neutral manner, about what they regulate from the perspective of people actually subject to the regulation produced. That is a very valuable thing if you compare it to the alternative. In societies where this is absent it leads to incredi…

Like intuit lobbying for not making tax simple? Like Microsoft lobbying that US govt use their cloud? Or the big military suppliers lobbying to increase military budget? Or health insurance companies and big pharmacy lobbying hard so Americans would rather commit suicide than get proper healthcare? The system has been effectively well gamed by the big cos and politicians.

Post by Animats » Mon, Apr 10, 2017, 5:26 PM UTC

SexyCyborg wrote: post #93

Animats wrote: post #7

The "maker movement" is alive in Shentzen, but mostly dead in Silicon Valley. TechShop is mostly crafters, not people building anything innovative. Hacker Dojo is appslaves. If there's a maker space in Silicon Valley with a pick and place machine, I can't find it.

>The "maker movement" is alive in Shentzen There is no Maker movement in Shenzhen- there are well-equipped spaces we show to tourists, there is no Maker Movement in the usual use of the word. Go check- no Github repositories, no posted projects anywhere. It's entirely fake- and the money well spent because people believe it despite there being no actual output.

Post by Hexcles » Mon, Apr 10, 2017, 10:12 PM UTC

chaostheory wrote: post #153

Hexcles wrote: post #105

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As a fellow Chinese who's been living in the West for a few years, I feel obligated to speak out against this: Although I hold strong dissent against Chinese government in many aspects (in particular censorship, e.g. GFW), although I agree the traditional norm of Chinese culture and society does not commend rebellions, your argument is a slippery slope at its best. Essentially, you are exaggerating from both ends: a.…

Maybe I should have elaborated more on a really sensitive issue. I'm not saying that it's impossible to climb Mt Everest with an extra 50lbs on your back that isn't useful for mountaineering, but it's much harder. i.e. Innovation may happen but the rate of innovation is much lower as well as the impact If my post is 'utter nonsense' then prove it with better arguments These comments remind me of the time when I refus…