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Post by 19eightyfour »

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #107
DanBC wrote: post #88

This email exchange reads like something from Black Mirror. https://nyoobserver.files.wordpress.com/2017/03/emailexchang... It's amazing he didn't go and firebomb AirBnB. This kind of communication would leave me incandescent with rage.

Man, that is bad; totally agree with you DanBC. The third time the AirBnB rep asked for details of the blinds I was gob-smacked that I could have noticed it twice already on a brief scan and they apparently didn't see it - or perhaps it was just a delaying tactic to force the financial situation to become more grave for their client, like you say true Black Mirror stuff. Then at the end they try to low-ball him on wh…

It's totally sad, but the ignoring of client responses and repeated redundant requests for information already provided, is a standard psychological domination tactic used by interrogators and ( hey, whaddaya know ) compliance people. It's meant to cause the client to become more subdued, submissive and easier to handle.

I hate this kind of thing being used by a company that I wanted to respect.

I truly believe: powerful people ( and companies ) empower others, they don't disempower them.

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Post by Hydraulix989 »

eropple wrote: post #110
dang wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We put quotes around that word in the title. I'll add an explanation here in a bit. Edit: ok, here's an explanation. We put quotes around "bribes" because that's the tiniest intervention I can think of that still addresses your concern. Why so tiny? That takes a while to explain, so read on if you want to understand how we approach this. The title breaks the HN guidelines ( https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines…

FWIW (and I realize what it's W is minimal), despite the shade I sometimes throw re: certain policies on HN, I think you guys do an excellent job of threading the needle with regards to YC-related companies.

He's in a tough position, and I appreciate that he is transparent about it, even though I am still a bit disappointed. Normally I'd be a whole lot more outraged if he _didn't_ disclose his differential treatment towards YC companies, even though I would've definitely suspected and even expected such differential treatment.

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Post by HillaryBriss »

DanBC wrote: post #88

This email exchange reads like something from Black Mirror. https://nyoobserver.files.wordpress.com/2017/03/emailexchang... It's amazing he didn't go and firebomb AirBnB. This kind of communication would leave me incandescent with rage.

omg that's better than the original post. AirBnB appears to be completely insincere in their responses to this customer.

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Post by HillaryBriss »

19eightyfour wrote: post #161
pbhjpbhj wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Man, that is bad; totally agree with you DanBC. The third time the AirBnB rep asked for details of the blinds I was gob-smacked that I could have noticed it twice already on a brief scan and they apparently didn't see it - or perhaps it was just a delaying tactic to force the financial situation to become more grave for their client, like you say true Black Mirror stuff. Then at the end they try to low-ball him on wh…

It's totally sad, but the ignoring of client responses and repeated redundant requests for information already provided, is a standard psychological domination tactic used by interrogators and ( hey, whaddaya know ) compliance people. It's meant to cause the client to become more subdued, submissive and easier to handle. I hate this kind of thing being used by a company that I wanted to respect. I truly believe: powe…

> the ignoring of client responses and repeated redundant requests for information already provided, is a standard psychological domination tactic

that describes some of the managers/clients i've worked for. a very effective technique.

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Post by HillaryBriss »

sarreph wrote: post #138

> This was all too reminiscent of the NDA Tesla asked customers to sign last year after a defect was discovered, a request that was deemed “unacceptable” by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (which issued the warning about the defects). How are the biggest and trendiest companies getting away with this kind of despicable behaviour? The lack of regulation in intervention here is especially troubling.

regulation enforcement is both extremely expensive and unfashionable. we simply can't afford sufficient levels of policing.

and, sometimes, elected leaders openly endorse defiance of regulations. it makes a politician look courageous and important.

behavioral constraints are out. freedom is in. we just have to get used to it.

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Post by greggman »

whack wrote: post #119

I have a friend who literally had the exact same experience a week ago. She rented her apartment to a guy for one night, and he proceeded to have a massive party filled with drugs, prostitutes, and God knows what else. Her apartment was subsequently degraded and destroyed beyond all recognition. Thus far, Airbnb's response to her has been extremely non-reassuring. Hopefully they will do more in the coming week and re…

I hope you get restitution from AirBNB. I'd be really curious to see what if any action they take against the guests. Unless the guests somehow used fake names it seems like it would be easy for AirBnB to go after them?

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Post by hsod »

DanBC wrote: post #88

This email exchange reads like something from Black Mirror. https://nyoobserver.files.wordpress.com/2017/03/emailexchang... It's amazing he didn't go and firebomb AirBnB. This kind of communication would leave me incandescent with rage.

Wow, I thought you were exaggerating. That made my blood boil and I have zero stake in this whatsoever

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Post by debacle »

tptacek wrote: post #148
will_brown wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thats a pretty unreasonable request that a billion dollar company agree not to include deadlines in their settlement offers moving forward. In fact I've never heard of a settlement agreement without a deadline, it wouldn't amount to malpractice but it would be pretty negligent to offer any type of settlement agreement on open ended terms of acceptance. As to the NDA/confidentiality, that too is the default of settlem…

Which is why I said "nobody outside their counsel's office". Here, we're all pretty clear these aren't good-faith deadlines, but rather negotiating devices intended to coerce people into accepting terms without consultation with their own lawyers.

AirBnB is a business.

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Post by danhodgins »

whack wrote: post #119

I have a friend who literally had the exact same experience a week ago. She rented her apartment to a guy for one night, and he proceeded to have a massive party filled with drugs, prostitutes, and God knows what else. Her apartment was subsequently degraded and destroyed beyond all recognition. Thus far, Airbnb's response to her has been extremely non-reassuring. Hopefully they will do more in the coming week and re…

Don't EVER rent to anyone for one night - too risky. Only rent for multiple days at a time. I haven't yet heard of any stories of people renting places out for 1 week or more where the place has been trashed. In general, partiers don't have the money to rent for > 1 night (although I would imagine there are exceptions).
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