I watched Amber Rudd interviewed by Andrew Marr this morning and the scariest thing about it was that Marr completely agreed with her. Rather than providing an opposing viewpoint and counteracting her points, he agreed with the idea that it was unacceptable for people to be allowed to use encryption and that it was terrible these companies were using it as a selling point. All he pushed her on was if she would enforce cooperation from tech companies.
UK Home Secretary says encryption on messaging services is unacceptable
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#162Earlier quoted context omitted.
UK's best shot at surviving Brexit is become stronger on value added industries. They have a very good head start over any other EU country in IT and in some research areas. Amber Rudd seems hell bent on destroying their only chance.
They all are intent on crippling any chance the UK has at becoming stronger in high tech industries. I'm so sick of getting "this is an adult resource and you can't view it" anytime I search for information about a drug (pharmaceutical, not just "weed LSD and lols"). Great fucking way to encourage your future chemists. Maybe ban keywords like JavaScript, PHP and SQL while at it, them's the powerful drugs maaan.
> "this is an adult resource and you can't view it"
Those filters, if they're ISP supplied, are optional. You can turn them off.
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#163I'm surprised it took this long for her to bring up the subject – Theresa May would've had her soundbites prepared in advance and released within hours of the attack if she was still Home Sec. > That is my view - it is completely unacceptable You know what else is completely unacceptable? Technologically illiterate, authoritarian jobsworths capitalising on tragedy to push through their agendas. But that's just my vie…
Sure she'll get support and they may even be stupid enough to attempt to enact this stuff. But rest assured there'll be a massive backlash from big business and various political fallouts from the scandals that will ensue. Then some genius will come up with what's essentially an "encryption is illegal for terrorists" bill and we'll have the best of both worlds: full use of encryption where we need it, whilst the terr…
Yeah that'll be totally humane, just like how it's illegal to commit crimes while wearing body armor in most of the US! Or like how street dealers and felons aren't allowed to carry guns or vote! We are being declawed.
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#164>Referring to Whatsapp's system of end-to-end encryption, she said: "It is completely unacceptable. There should be no place for terrorists to hide. Thats it guys. Mommy says no more maths.
> "It is completely unacceptable. There should be no place for terrorists to hide."
Agreed. I'm terrorized when I hear gov representatives talking like that. Who's the terrorist, I wonder.
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#165How do they want to prevent someone from creating his own end-to-end encryption app? It may use other protocols to encode content (images, tweets, fb posts etc.). For me it seems to be more in a direction of so called "Big Brother" than real counter-terrorism.
She's probably being led by the intelligence services on this, and of course they have ulterior motives, their ultimate project is to collect all signals, or as many as they can manage, which apps like whatsapp are thwarting at present. Why can't we collect all the signals all the time? This is incredibly dangerous for our society, no-one should have that much power. That power isn't about terrorism (or even very use…
An intelligence led response to terrorism is a result of learning from Northern Ireland. Internment caused harm; talking to the terrorists brought peace.
Don't forget that while they were talking to the IRA politicians were saying in public "we don't talk to terrorists".
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#166How do they want to prevent someone from creating his own end-to-end encryption app? It may use other protocols to encode content (images, tweets, fb posts etc.). For me it seems to be more in a direction of so called "Big Brother" than real counter-terrorism.
The same way you prevent anything.. they make it illegal for people in the UK to make, or use, such products. Don't think we can "tech" our way out of this.
Exactly, and given we live in a "walled garden" society now, all they need to do is require google or apple to remove from the app stores any app that implements encryption for messaging.
It's actually easier than ever to ban encryption for messaging.
Would that stop determined people? No, but it's never been about that anyway. Just make the pool small enough and it becomes too difficult to use. (See PGP / email).
Also, if you genuinely legislate against encrypted messaging then it's easy to pick up on the relative handful of people who go outside the app stores to get encrypted messaging applications.
And it shouldn't come to technical solutions, we should have people challenge the notion that two people should never be allowed to share a private message, because that's why Rudd and the government is suggesting.
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#167This is a complete nonsense. Such move would simply encourage "bad guys" to find other means of secure communication while exposing everyone else.
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#168Earlier quoted context omitted.
They all are intent on crippling any chance the UK has at becoming stronger in high tech industries. I'm so sick of getting "this is an adult resource and you can't view it" anytime I search for information about a drug (pharmaceutical, not just "weed LSD and lols"). Great fucking way to encourage your future chemists. Maybe ban keywords like JavaScript, PHP and SQL while at it, them's the powerful drugs maaan.
One word, my friend: VPN.
> One word, my friend: VPN.
A VPN is a way to circumvent surveillance but make no mistake: We must press with all our power for legislation which guarantees privacy, all over the world. This is a battle that in the long run, we can't win with tech. We need to become more privacy-aware.
"Those who surrender freedom for security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one."
Re: UK Home Secretary says encryption on messaging services is unacceptable
#169>Referring to Whatsapp's system of end-to-end encryption, she said: "It is completely unacceptable. There should be no place for terrorists to hide. Thats it guys. Mommy says no more maths.
> "It is completely unacceptable. There should be no place for terrorists to hide." Agreed. I'm terrorized when I hear gov representatives talking like that. Who's the terrorist, I wonder.
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Re: UK Home Secretary says encryption on messaging services is unacceptable
#170How do they want to prevent someone from creating his own end-to-end encryption app? It may use other protocols to encode content (images, tweets, fb posts etc.). For me it seems to be more in a direction of so called "Big Brother" than real counter-terrorism.
Ultimately this type of "lone wolf" attackers will not communicate at all and what are they going to do next? Install a device on one's head?
Don't give them ideas!