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Google Talk Is Being Discontinued

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Re: Google Talk Is Being Discontinued

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Post by yeukhon »

thrill wrote: post #8
mindcrime wrote: post #2

XMPP federation with third-party services providers will no longer be supported starting June 26. Fuck you, Google. Just fuck you...

I wish someone at Google would explain their overarching strategy and target. This piecemeal approach just reeks of no coherent plan.

Well, it is not a big secret on many occasions people tell the outsiders Google would have multiple teams working on the same, if not, similar product, only to find just one will launch publicly, and then 6-24 months later the service will shut down.

Re: Google Talk Is Being Discontinued

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Post by sixdimensional »

erpellan wrote: post #102

"Collaborate on standards. Compete on quality" Or something, I'm probably butchering the quote. There's a reason we can play CDs from any manufacturer in every manufacturer's player. Likewise SD cards, VHS videos, DVDs... The importance of working with your competitors was well understood in the 1980's. Seem's it's a lesson we need to learn again: https://hbr.org/1989/01/collaborate-with-your-competitors-an...

For that matter, competitors collaborating often runs afoul of government regulations... EXCEPT, for in this case when competitors collaborating directly benefits the public.

Re: Google Talk Is Being Discontinued

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Post by dragonwriter »

ungzd wrote: post #52

This blog post mentions following messenger technologies (Google has even more not mentioned here): - Google Talk - Hangouts Meet - Hangouts Chat - Android Messages (something new, never heard of it) (And non-google messenger technologies: SMS, RCS). How user is supposed to navigate all these? Given that all these things are inferior to even Facebook and is ICQ-grade.

Hangouts Meet and Hangouts Chat are part of Hangouts realignment to be enterprise-focussed, and are, IIRC, only available as part of GSuite. Users don't choose them, admins do.

Android Messages is an SMS-only app; your device vendor probably has their own default one, but if not (or if you don't like it) you can use the Google one. (It's not that new, it's been around since about the time they announced the new direction for Hangouts, long before they implemented the new enterprise-focussed Hangouts offerings.)

And GTalk is being buried, so isnt really an issue.

Re: Google Talk Is Being Discontinued

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Post by ballenf »

thrill wrote: post #8
mindcrime wrote: post #2

XMPP federation with third-party services providers will no longer be supported starting June 26. Fuck you, Google. Just fuck you...

I wish someone at Google would explain their overarching strategy and target. This piecemeal approach just reeks of no coherent plan.

If you remember whose Google's customers are--advertisers, not users--coherency is a lot easier to understand.

So it's really easy to predict Google. Just ask the following questions:

- can Google run ads to every user of the product? - can Google extract usage data to build a better user profile, in order to charge more for above ads?

The answer with regard to Talk or any interoperable service, is almost always no to both.

The incoherency we see is related to the fact that not every engineer or manager at Google is fully plugged into the above or sometimes they create a product that fails to answer the above with the hope they'll figure that out later. Sometimes the nature of the product or the fact that it's an open standard makes it impossible to evolve the product to get the questions right.

I loved that I could use my native Mac messaging app to communicate with colleagues in google chat. It was real-time and all messages were logged and available in gmail. I guess that's going away.

Re: Google Talk Is Being Discontinued

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Post by martin1975 »

accountface wrote: post #38
zekevermillion wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seriously, Google owes me $50 for my obihai router I bought solely for free google integration. This is the problem with building anything on top of Gsuite -- they will screw you over at a random moment and deprecate whatever service you may have been relying on.

>owes me >solely for free google integration Dude, you get what you pay for

exactly. thus I pay for Anveo...8 or whatever it is a month. Never have to deal w/Google.

Re: Google Talk Is Being Discontinued

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Post by yeukhon »

Steeeve wrote: post #147

All this discussion about what the future is in the messaging space... The future is disarray, just like the present and just like the past. IM isn't a particularly difficult problem to solve, even at scale. (and certainly not at startup scale) It's not a good advertising medium, and nobody will ever spend significant money in that space. It's an add-on feel good service.

IM isn't easy to solve, but it really is. All you need are

* commitment

* nice UI

* nice add-on services

Putting Skype's privacy and issues aside, it has proven to be a very successful IM product for the past decade.

Slack, HipChat are more geared toward developers / tech workers.

IRC is probably one of the oldest and still widely used because of its simplicity (once you know how to use it, it's easy to use)

If you merge all of them together, and have a real product team to support the product forward, it won't be hard. Of course, if your goal is to integrate with 20 other services, yeah, you will run out lucky hitting someone's walled garden.

Re: Google Talk Is Being Discontinued

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Post by pavel_lishin »

colordrops wrote: post #146
pbhjpbhj wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps this is the point we need legislation to require that IM services with above X users in the relevant jurisdiction must provide a full, open, protocol and enable interoperation via the published protocol? That's the only way I see the companies involved would move to enable cross-platform communications? Aside: >It's a wonder we can send e-mails between many servers. I have a shared account on a small ISP, Mic…

I'm not a big fan of legislating technical standards, but in this case I think I could support it. IM has become a fundamental communication mechanism. Imagine how held back society would be if we had 50 different voice standards rather than the singular phone system we have now. IM needs to be forcefully standardized.

Don't we already have GSM and LTE, and who knows what else? And I'm not aware of any legislation for the use of those over others. As far as I know, as long as I have the right to use the frequencies, I could start my own cellular telco that transmits whatever format I want.

Re: Google Talk Is Being Discontinued

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Post by mattmcknight »

chrisper wrote: post #47
cwyers wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But at least now it works on phones? This is actually really, really important to people.

You are saying it like if XMPP never worked on phones.

standard complaint was that it was a battery killer.
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