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Wages rise on California farms, Americans still don’t want the job

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Re: Wages rise on California farms, Americans still don’t want the job

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This persistent myth that first world western countries need mass migration because there are jobs "$NATIONALY won't do" really needs to die. Japan is a high income first world nation, very low immigration, and yet somehow they are able to find people to drive taxis, serve food and sweep streets.

It's nothing more than an emotion based persuasion technique to get the first world working class to accept lower wages. Don't fall for it.

Re: Wages rise on California farms, Americans still don’t want the job

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When I was younger, I worked at a McDonalds in SoCal. Almost all the employees were white teenagers. The managers were white as well. We didn't make much, just a bit above minimum wage, but we were all mostly high-school students or college students working in the summer to pay tuition. This went on until around 1984 or so, when it became much harder to hire this demographic. It wasn't as cool to work at fast food, a…

I didn't grow up in the US, but is this because parenting changed around this time ? Where I grew up, we would hear stories about kids in the US leaving their homes at 15 and trying to figure things out. But when I moved here, i have never seen it. All the families I know take good care of their kids throughout college and even after. So there is no need for them to work at low paying fast food jobs. Their parents ca…

Given your description of folks here in the US (which is positive and flattering) I think you're overlooking most of the population of the country, for which your description of college or building startups is not true.

Re: Wages rise on California farms, Americans still don’t want the job

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I think in Sweden, were this has been changing in big cities in recent years, it's mostly because you can't support yourself in many areas on a 7-11 salary anymore. If you can't get an apartment you can't stay in the area, so there's no young temporary workforce left and people with options aren't going to commute long for a 7-11 job.

The parent comment addresses that: > As the area becomes more wealthy - guess what - wages are supposed to rise. Yes, that means the price of burgers should rise a little bit as well.

There's just no way salaries can keep up with social changes. Housing prices have doubled in the last 10 years. Salaries are already high and hamburgers expensive in Sweden.

A 19 year old in Sweden would make $14/hour at 7-11. That's around $1900/month after taxes. To double that with progressive taxes you would have to make roughly as much as a fairly well paid software developer here. A rental unit could easily be $1200-1400 and to buy a 330 square feet apartment would cost you around $300k, which is essentially the same as SF. Say you save $500/month then it still takes you more than 7 years just to get the cash contribution. It's not happening.

http://www.valueguard.se/index http://www.economist.com/content/big-mac-index

Re: Wages rise on California farms, Americans still don’t want the job

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I work at the LA Times and conducted the data analysis of wages included in this story. We published all the code behind it on GitHub. AMA. https://github.com/datadesk/california-crop-production-wages...

Wow, amazingly transparent data. LA times deserves a bookmark and subscription (if they have one) from one

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"You can't keep paying people more to solve the problem, it doesn't work. No one aspires to earn 30k a year anyway" No! The average income for the USA in 2008 was $28K! That's the average - meaning that for every person earning $75K (not that much) there are a dozen people earning $20K. 90% of people don't work as an 'aspiration'. The don't have 'careers' they have 'jobs'. And 90% of jobs in this world are not very e…

> The average income for the USA in 2008 was $28K! > That's the average - meaning that for every person earning $75K (not that much) there are a dozen people earning $20K. For all your emphasis, this is a pretty dramatic misunderstanding of how averages work. You'd need a histogram to make the claim you're making. The population earning $75K can equal the population earning $20K, or have basically any other relation…

That's why they use Median Income When talking about average income in the US https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_income_in_the_United_...

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https://www.bls.gov/iif/oshcfoi1.htm#2015 If anyone else wants data on this assertion (farming as one of the most dangerous jobs in the US). It certainly appears to be up there, in both gross and per capita numbers. Seems to largely (for agricultural workers) be associated with transportation (not equipment, so perhaps the way many workers travel around fields and all in the back of trucks and similar unsafe methods?…

The decline in equipment deaths and injuries is mostly due to automation. Not nearly as many people with their hands near a PTO as there used to be.

And the distance from medical care means that severe but survivable injuries become severe and fatal injuries out in farm country. Near my grandparents' farm most of the older folks had moved away precisely because of the lack of access to the (due to age) needed medical facilities. When standard care isn't accessible, emergency and trauma care will almost certainly be worse.

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When I was younger, I worked at a McDonalds in SoCal. Almost all the employees were white teenagers. The managers were white as well. We didn't make much, just a bit above minimum wage, but we were all mostly high-school students or college students working in the summer to pay tuition. This went on until around 1984 or so, when it became much harder to hire this demographic. It wasn't as cool to work at fast food, a…

This change occurred in my town as well at about the same time. How do you know you are getting cause and effect right? I always assumed that after the amnesty in the first Bush administration it was just easier/cheaper/better attitude to get mexicans and the restaurants stopped hiring the high school kids. I don't think those jobs were ever considered cool for the high school kids but money is useful

> I always assumed that after the amnesty in the first Bush administration

A minor nitpick, but you are probably referring to the amnesty component of the 1986 immigration reform law, which was during the Reagan Administration, not the first Bush Administration.

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> The average income for the USA in 2008 was $28K! > That's the average - meaning that for every person earning $75K (not that much) there are a dozen people earning $20K. For all your emphasis, this is a pretty dramatic misunderstanding of how averages work. You'd need a histogram to make the claim you're making. The population earning $75K can equal the population earning $20K, or have basically any other relation…

That's why they use Median Income When talking about average income in the US https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_income_in_the_United_...

The article you link to refers first to per capita income, which is mean (the usual average), and then the median.
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