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Microsoft Blocks Windows 7/8 Updates on AMD Ryzen and Intel Kaby Lake Systems

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Re: Microsoft Blocks Windows 7/8 Updates on AMD Ryzen and Intel Kaby Lake Systems

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its pretty hard to find a download for the current windows 10 drivers without the GFE though.

You do not need to install it, go through the custom setup options and uncheck the option to install it.

Yeah this.

The only things I install from the whole package are the display driver and PhysX driver.

There are 5 or 6 things I uncheck that are totally unnecessary.

Re: Microsoft Blocks Windows 7/8 Updates on AMD Ryzen and Intel Kaby Lake Systems

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> Windows 10 feels unfinished and buggy to me. Everyone makes this point, no one elaborates it. How is it buggy and unfinished? I'm using it on 5 different devices with vastly different hardware profiles (1 modern gaming rig, 1 old gaming rig, 1 low end laptop, 1 convertible laptop, and 1 SFF PC) and they're all rock solid. I also use Windows 7 on my work laptop daily and moving back and forth between the two OSes da…

Windows 10 feels unfinished because a bunch of the UI seems to be in transition between older interfaces and newer ones, sometimes lossily - and I'm not talking about third-party components, I'm talking about things like configuring networking in Windows 10, or not being able to find a way to convince the new UI widget to tell you the capacity of batteries any more. (There were probably more examples, those were just…

> Windows 10 feels unfinished

That's true but another way to look at it is that it's in a constant state of improvement. There's 30 years of legacy that they're taking the time to refactor correctly rather than just skin or eliminate entirely.

> I'm talking about things like configuring networking in Windows 10

That is one of the very rough areas right now. They have the basic functionality in there but then shifted focus to other areas. Actually getting to the legacy control panel App to make changes to things like DHCP and DNS settings is ass backwards at the moment.

> not being able to find a way to convince the new UI widget to tell you the capacity of batteries any more.

That sounds like a hardware specific issue. If I hover over my battery indicator I get both a percentage and time estimate. If I click on the indicator I get the same information and the option to change power mode.

> It feels buggy because if I left File Explorer windows open, eventually all of explorer would stop responding until I killed it and restarted it. If I used a machine for a couple of days without restart, DWM would lock up and suddenly I'd get to try to remember the commands to kill dwm.exe and type them flawlessly without being able to see what I'm doing, or restart the machine.

Your explorer issue sounds like it could either be a hardware issue with a storage device or a problem with network discovery. Since DWM uses GPU compositing now, I'm going to say that you might have a hardware issue. I have 3 PCs running 24/7 that I either sit at or RDP into daily and I've never experienced anything like what you're describing.

> Sleep and hibernate, both of which work reliably under 7 on my laptop, have about a 50/50 shot of waking up or coming up to a black screen - which, itself, has a 50/50 chance of either being a login prompt which is just not displaying and if I enter my password and press enter, it will bring up the suspended environment, or just a permanently frozen unresponsive black screen.

I ran into this on my laptop when I upgraded it from Win8.1 to Win10 and left the vendor's Power Management AND Bluetooth drivers installed. After removing all vendor supplied drivers and allowing Windows Update to install new ones, it has behaved perfectly.

> Oh, and Start Menu searching being completely broken - attempting to type, say, Firefox would prompt me to search the web for Firefox as the top result, or I could open All Programs and there's Mozilla Firefox.

That sounds an awful lot like Windows 7. For starters there's no "All Programs" in Windows 10. I tried with Cortona on and off and could not reproduce that result. Every time I typed "Firefox" into the search bar or just with the Start Menu opened, the Best Match was the "Mozilla Firefox" shortcut. Now Windows 8.x/2012.x had a slow search feature and a nasty habit of just searching the web if you hit enter after typing your query but all of that is gone in Windows 10.

Re: Microsoft Blocks Windows 7/8 Updates on AMD Ryzen and Intel Kaby Lake Systems

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I do ubuntu dist-upgrade since 2009. I have done 2 full reinstall. Once to try linux-mint. And another one a little latter when I bought a new ssd drive (switched to ubuntu gnome). The main upgrade issue was with systemd in 16.04: it found a dependency loop between net access and my nas drive and decided to cancel net access.

I ran Ubuntu on a netbook and a laptop from ~2007-2012. Wireless support was beyond awful and distro upgrades would break it beyond repair. There were also numerous bugs with Audio and their transition in desktop environments failed horribly.

Linuxmint based on Ubuntu has been my go to since 2013. Everything I want just works.

I use debian on my servers with the occasional rhel/centos for those folks who want or need that.

Windows never touches bare metal around me anymore. That has been the cause of so much pain and lost time ... Virtualize it, put specific snapshots on the vm, and I've got a working Windows in a window.

Re: Microsoft Blocks Windows 7/8 Updates on AMD Ryzen and Intel Kaby Lake Systems

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> Last time I updated my nVidia video drivers, I found I had to create an account with nVidia to get into the configuration options of the driver on my machine. I see a lot of people with this confusion between the NVIDIA Control Panel and GeForce Experience. You do not need to create an account of any kind to use the NVIDIA Driver Control Panel. You never did and hopefully you never will. GeForce Experience on the o…

Now nVidia installs some tracking phone home shit, regardless of using advanced setting during setup and removing all unwanted "features". I had to remove to EXE files that were running, I found out about them with a Firewall and ProcessExplorer. Can you nVidia stop this illegal practise?

I haven't heard about nVidia tracking before. Are you referring to this? http://www.majorgeeks.com/news/story/nvidia_adds_telemetry_t...

Re: Microsoft Blocks Windows 7/8 Updates on AMD Ryzen and Intel Kaby Lake Systems

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Thank you for the detailed response. It's really funny, I like windows 10 a lot, for me it's the best Linux distribution, but there are a few of these little things... To reply to some of your points to clean up possible misunderstandings: > If you initiate a Copy and then change focus, the dialog will not steal focus. Perhaps that's what you're experiencing? No, I drag or Ctrl-C/V file between two explorer windows a…

> I drag or Ctrl-C/V file between two explorer windows and a new window icon appears on a taskbar with progress indication That's unusual. I just tried copying large swaths of files with varying combinations of Explorer snapped, unsnapped, overlapping, not overlapping, etc. In ever case the Copy window appears h/v Centered over the origin Explorer window. Do you have anything that has custom Shell integration install…

It's actually spelled "cue", not "que" in that context. "que" is not even a word in English, unless you're abbreviating Quebec.

Re: Microsoft Blocks Windows 7/8 Updates on AMD Ryzen and Intel Kaby Lake Systems

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post #148

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Now nVidia installs some tracking phone home shit, regardless of using advanced setting during setup and removing all unwanted "features". I had to remove to EXE files that were running, I found out about them with a Firewall and ProcessExplorer. Can you nVidia stop this illegal practise?

I haven't heard about nVidia tracking before. Are you referring to this? http://www.majorgeeks.com/news/story/nvidia_adds_telemetry_t...

Yes. Even removing it with Autoruns brought it back, so I tracked down all nVidia EXE and services and removed the files physically and just kept the graphics driver, the HD audio and the physics driver. Now I have to do that everytime I update the driver, which I do of course when I want and by manually downloading from nvidia.com.

Though I hope AMD gets more competitive, and I would really like to go with them next time.

Re: Microsoft Blocks Windows 7/8 Updates on AMD Ryzen and Intel Kaby Lake Systems

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The recent pop-up ads, automatically downloading of Windows 10 by Microsoft and bricking devices by Microsoft's friends seems like a good indication of the tipping point for many people. Stallman was right, then? About 10 years ago I made the jump from Windows to GNU+Linux. It was quite annoying because at the time I was still heavily invested in web design and such, so not having photoshop was quite a loss. Nowadays…

For the Photoshop part, check out Krita ( https://krita.org/en/ ). Although it isn't exactly like Photoshop, a non-power user wouldn't notice the difference between the two. And Krita is really the only program I've come across on Linux that actually has a really nice UI. I still can't move over to Linux fully, even though I want to, it's just not there for me yet. Gaming being the biggest issue, but also general use…

Buy a PS4, use Wine in Linux or keep Windows 7 around. There is no single game that doesn't run on Win7, except FH3 with its WinStore shit - anyway it seems so arcady to me I wouldn't want to touch it.

Re: Microsoft Blocks Windows 7/8 Updates on AMD Ryzen and Intel Kaby Lake Systems

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Windows 10 feels unfinished because a bunch of the UI seems to be in transition between older interfaces and newer ones, sometimes lossily - and I'm not talking about third-party components, I'm talking about things like configuring networking in Windows 10, or not being able to find a way to convince the new UI widget to tell you the capacity of batteries any more. (There were probably more examples, those were just…

> Windows 10 feels unfinished That's true but another way to look at it is that it's in a constant state of improvement. There's 30 years of legacy that they're taking the time to refactor correctly rather than just skin or eliminate entirely. > I'm talking about things like configuring networking in Windows 10 That is one of the very rough areas right now. They have the basic functionality in there but then shifted…

> constant state of improvement

I understand how this would work in theory, but it seems more like they're trying to burn customer goodwill by breaking or removing old tools in favor of migrating everyone to {Modern UI,a walled garden}.

> That sounds like a hardware specific issue. If I hover over my battery indicator I get both a percentage and time estimate. If I click on the indicator I get the same information and the option to change power mode.

Not particularly - when I said capacity, I meant {design,current maximum, current remaining} capacity in mAh, which I couldn't convince it to tell me. (Admittedly, I did not go looking for the specific WMI calls that probably have this information, because I don't expect to have to resort to WMI to find out my battery's capacity.)

> Your explorer issue sounds like it could either be a hardware issue with a storage device or a problem with network discovery.

I had another bug with network {share,host} discovery which resulted in explorer crashing and me disabling that particular feature, but no, that wasn't my only issue with explorer.

If it's a hardware issue with the storage device, I'd be rather impressed, as said SSD runs other OSes perfectly fine, and SFC comes back without any complaints.

I can certainly believe it's something about my platform or usage, but after trying a clean reinstall of 10 without OEM drivers to confirm it wasn't some OEM-provided driver causing this fun and games, it stops being something I want to spend all my time debugging.

> Sleep and hibernate

Tried with the OEM-drivers install and without, no visible difference, much to my chagrin.

> Start Menu

Sorry, I meant All Apps.

I just tried it with Firefox, and after letting it sit for ~15 seconds offering a random json file with Firefox in the name as the best match, it did come up with Mozilla Firefox, and then immediately came back with every other thing I thought to try.

I don't know whether this has changed in the interim, or I'm just associating the initial delay with never trusting it, or something entirely distinct. (I don't think I'm conflating it with Windows 7, though, as I don't think I've ever seen it do that on one of my machines.)

Re: Microsoft Blocks Windows 7/8 Updates on AMD Ryzen and Intel Kaby Lake Systems

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post #167

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For the Photoshop part, check out Krita ( https://krita.org/en/ ). Although it isn't exactly like Photoshop, a non-power user wouldn't notice the difference between the two. And Krita is really the only program I've come across on Linux that actually has a really nice UI. I still can't move over to Linux fully, even though I want to, it's just not there for me yet. Gaming being the biggest issue, but also general use…

Buy a PS4, use Wine in Linux or keep Windows 7 around. There is no single game that doesn't run on Win7, except FH3 with its WinStore shit - anyway it seems so arcady to me I wouldn't want to touch it.

One does not simply tell a PC gamer to buy a console... There's a reason I'm playing games on PC and has invested a lot of money into a fat gaming rig.

Re: Microsoft Blocks Windows 7/8 Updates on AMD Ryzen and Intel Kaby Lake Systems

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post #167

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Buy a PS4, use Wine in Linux or keep Windows 7 around. There is no single game that doesn't run on Win7, except FH3 with its WinStore shit - anyway it seems so arcady to me I wouldn't want to touch it.

One does not simply tell a PC gamer to buy a console... There's a reason I'm playing games on PC and has invested a lot of money into a fat gaming rig.

I am a PC gamer as well. But Microsoft agenda with Win8/10 is so off-putting I will stay on Win7. Plus I opened myself to other consoles (Nintendo, Sony). I know it feels so wrong to play a shooter on condole with a gamepad, and I wish they would just support a mouse.
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