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Mark Zuckerberg's manifesto for Facebook offers a social dystopia

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> Have the social network aspects of Facebook been destroyed by fatigue Combating this is partly why Facebook bought WhatsApp and spun out Messenger into its own app.

Facebook is so big it can just buy anything that competes with it ,but Whats App may be too big

FB aquired WhatsApp in 2014 for 19Bn. WeChat however, could be too big for anyone of the US giants to swallow.

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This shows the underlying utility of Facebook compared to other tech giants distilled in to a really generic scenario. - You go to Google to research what to buy. - You go to Amazon to give Amazon your hard earned money. - You go to Facebook to brag what you bought. Yet the market cap of Facebook rivals those two with far less revenue and highest multiplier. This cannot last.

In theory the reason for this is that Facebook is "stickier" than Google or Amazon. If Google search isn't working for you, you can switch to something else in a heartbeat. If Facebook isn't working for you, you have to get all your friends to switch to something else before you can. The problem is this is also going to be Facebook's downfall at some indeterminate future date. Because if some other social network eve…

I'm relatively tech savvy, but I'm not sure my significant other would know where to go if Google was down. DDG or even Bing are not top of mind. What else is there?

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I unfollowed like 85% of my "friends" on facebook this past year... probably 75% of all the news sources I used to enjoy and left all the groups but the professional ones I still like and because I have FB Messenger... i don't miss any of it and people can message me. I have a youtube sub list and podcasts for "news" and if i wanna see my buddy's feed... i can just go look. It's a void; I'm enjoying meeting people fo…

I think one of the most perverse and increasingly popular reasons people are still stubbornly using FB is to look at images of their crushes. nothing more.

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Re: Mark Zuckerberg's manifesto for Facebook offers a social dystopia

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Have we reached peak Facebook yet? I started using Facebook quite early in my country and used it mostly as a social network, communicating and exchanging stuff with friends from all over the world. A couple years later I deleted my account, being disgusted by the potential abusive potential of all the information Facebook had. I came back years later as it became THE tool for ad hoc social initiatives and a way to f…

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Cybercolonialism. I don't just mean that as a snarky crack. It's worth pondering the idea a bit. They've been headed in this direction for a while, but it's becoming undeniable. (Remember, Facebook is more than just America. They and their stock valuation aspire to be global.)

Or cybergovernment. Internet giants are becoming fundamental services for millions of people. They're not just too big to fail -- they are essential, which makes them comparable to governments.

Remind me how many armored divisions Facebook has, again?

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Have we reached peak Facebook yet? I started using Facebook quite early in my country and used it mostly as a social network, communicating and exchanging stuff with friends from all over the world. A couple years later I deleted my account, being disgusted by the potential abusive potential of all the information Facebook had. I came back years later as it became THE tool for ad hoc social initiatives and a way to f…

I deleted my Facebook account when I started tracking my time for productivity reasons. For me it was a MASSIVE destruction of man hours just idling around reading nonsense. Against my worries meaningful social interactions haven't suffered and I still keep in touch with people all over the world...

Re: Mark Zuckerberg's manifesto for Facebook offers a social dystopia

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Or cybergovernment. Internet giants are becoming fundamental services for millions of people. They're not just too big to fail -- they are essential, which makes them comparable to governments.

I love the silicon valley hyperbole. Lets rank facebook being down for 2 weeks with: Shut down all the banks 2 weeks, eg no access to any money. Shut down all Gasoline for 2 weeks. Eg no personal transit (shut up you smug Tesla drivers I'm getting you next). Shut down all electricity for 2 weeks. No Power. (All you with power on your roofs and teslas... this gets your grocery store fridges). I think you need to re-ev…

> I think you need to re-evaluate what is "essential".

It is essential for small bussinesses all over the world that rely on fb pages instead of investing in creation of their own web pages

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Have we reached peak Facebook yet? I started using Facebook quite early in my country and used it mostly as a social network, communicating and exchanging stuff with friends from all over the world. A couple years later I deleted my account, being disgusted by the potential abusive potential of all the information Facebook had. I came back years later as it became THE tool for ad hoc social initiatives and a way to f…

It's probably now worth thinking about Facebook more as a giant advertising VC house more than as 'Facebook.com'.

Facebook's main asset is its social graph and cross device map, which only Google currently has anything comparable too.

Any time a new type of app, ad unit or social trend becomes popular (group chat replacing FB groups for instance), they will buy it before it gets traction. Instagram has a much nicer ad unit format than Facebook, and appeals to a more upscale audience.

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> Have the social network aspects of Facebook been destroyed by fatigue Combating this is partly why Facebook bought WhatsApp and spun out Messenger into its own app.

Facebook is so big it can just buy anything that competes with it ,but Whats App may be too big

meant snapchat is too big

Re: Mark Zuckerberg's manifesto for Facebook offers a social dystopia

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Or cybergovernment. Internet giants are becoming fundamental services for millions of people. They're not just too big to fail -- they are essential, which makes them comparable to governments.

I love the silicon valley hyperbole. Lets rank facebook being down for 2 weeks with: Shut down all the banks 2 weeks, eg no access to any money. Shut down all Gasoline for 2 weeks. Eg no personal transit (shut up you smug Tesla drivers I'm getting you next). Shut down all electricity for 2 weeks. No Power. (All you with power on your roofs and teslas... this gets your grocery store fridges). I think you need to re-ev…

I agree essential is too strong, but I think the danger is not "what if they go away", but the fact of (nearly) everybody using them is a problem when that's selectively denied.

E.g. a sibling comment mentions Facebook pages for small businesses: if Facebook went away or stopped offering them generally, that would fix itself within less than two weeks. If the vast majority assumes they can find all businesses on Facebook, but yours isn't because Facebook doesn't like your name or some aspect of your business, that's a long-term issue.

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