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Re: Mark Zuckerberg: Building Global Community

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Post by edblarney »

throwaway729 wrote: post #116
edblarney wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No - the tables have not flipped. There is 'global left/right' and 'local/national left/right' now. The 'global left' is exemplified by UN. The 'global right' exemplified by WTO. Often, the 'global' version of a movement can be in conflict with the 'local' version. This is seen clearly: 'global leftists' care about migrants - a lot - but immigration can be hurtful to the working class of the host nation. Mass importa…

Why do these gymnastics? Why not just say things as they are, instead of adding a bunch of adjectives so that everything can be "a b c d left" and "j k l p right"?

Because as the poster suggested, the left-right continuum is not sufficient to describe todays political reality.

But I disagree with the suggestion that 'there is no more left/right'.

If you take the perspective that there is a globalist/localist divide in both camps, it fairly succinctly explains what is going in in politics all over the Western world.

This is not a novel idea - I'm explaining what others have already professed.

Some added terminology is necessary because Americans use the term 'Liberal' - which in the rest of the world means 'Classical Liberal' - or in American terms 'Libertarian' - and so the mis-matching of terms creates a lot of confusion.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg: Building Global Community

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Post by kisstheblade »

"For the past decade, Facebook has focused on connecting friends and families." --> you have been focused on selling ads, not changing the world. People would still be "connected" to each other without facebook because of the technology we have now (built buy normal engineers doing incremental improvements without "change the world" god complexes).

Re: Mark Zuckerberg: Building Global Community

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Post by lazaroclapp »

ThrustVectoring wrote: post #153
lazaroclapp wrote: post #140

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You honestly think that quitting Facebook is harder than changing countries? Opting out from your country is currently near impossible for most people, and the only reason it is possible for the few who can is globalism. The place where moving between countries is the easiest is the E.U. and that's precisely because of the supra-national structure. I am not a centralist when it comes to the official international ins…

Quitting Facebook doesn't effectively prevent it from affecting you and your social network.

And not living in many countries certainly does not prevent them from affecting you. The world is deeply interconnected no matter how you structure it, from nuclear proliferation to pollution. You are also not immune from states you opt out of, if you even manage that.

Not that shadow profiles are a good thing, though. But I think this is drifting from the original topic, Facebook is, as of now, eminently more "escapable" than most nation states are. Certainly than any of the great powers, even if you don't live anywhere close to them.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg: Building Global Community

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Post by hueving »

anigbrowl wrote: post #147
gydfi wrote: post #137

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Why would I want people sharing news? If I want to read about what's going on with the world, I'll read a news site. If I want to know what's going on with my friends' lives, I'll read facebook.

Your friends may not share your highly compartmentalized approach to socializing. For many people events in politics directly impact their lives; it seems to me you're asking that your friends refrain from disturbing you with information you don't want to know about.

>For many people events in politics directly impact their lives

That doesn't fit what I've seen on Facebook. A better description, "for many people, ranting about their political opinions on Facebook seems to be fulfilling for them." The only way it impacts their lives is that it was the source of their entertainment for the day.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg: Building Global Community

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Post by throwaway313 »

jdoliner wrote: post #65
jordigh wrote: post #41

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Why is this about left or right or the hypocrisy of anyone? NAFTA was widely criticised by some Mexican leftists (might still be, haven't been following as closely) because it was viewed as being hugely beneficial to foreign interests and to wealthy elites, not to common Mexicans. The same people in favour of women's rights and equality were critical of globalisation. If this is about US politics, I find it so weird…

> Why is this about left or right or the hypocrisy of anyone? Because we have eyes and brains and we use language to describe what's going on. There might be some instances of people who called themselves leftists who opposed something which we're now referring to as a leftist agenda. It's not a perfect black and white classification scheme but the deep link between leftism and globalization is painfully obvious to a…

> the deep link between leftism and globalization is painfully obvious to anyone with a brain.

Wasn't Bernie Sanders both the most leftist and most anti-tpp/nafta candidate? Also Keith Ellison, who's potentially the next DNC chair and was endorsed by both Harry Reid and Chuck Schumer? (and by Bernie Sanders, and by David Duke for that matter)

Re: Mark Zuckerberg: Building Global Community

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Post by [deleted] »

jdoliner wrote: post #65
jordigh wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is this about left or right or the hypocrisy of anyone? NAFTA was widely criticised by some Mexican leftists (might still be, haven't been following as closely) because it was viewed as being hugely beneficial to foreign interests and to wealthy elites, not to common Mexicans. The same people in favour of women's rights and equality were critical of globalisation. If this is about US politics, I find it so weird…

> Why is this about left or right or the hypocrisy of anyone? Because we have eyes and brains and we use language to describe what's going on. There might be some instances of people who called themselves leftists who opposed something which we're now referring to as a leftist agenda. It's not a perfect black and white classification scheme but the deep link between leftism and globalization is painfully obvious to a…

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Re: Mark Zuckerberg: Building Global Community

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Post by zakk »

a13n wrote: post #16
jdoliner wrote: post #7

I find this letter to be deeply cynical. There's a baked in assumption that a global community is a good thing and that the only possible reason to resist it is because you're being left behind by its benefits. I don't think that's true and I certainly don't think it should be assumed a priori. There are people in this country, and every where in the world, who don't want globalization. And it's not because they have…

Then can't those people just not participate in the global community? Nobody forces you to use technology or Facebook, just log off.

Not so easy, when your friends are on Facebook, often the only feasible way of advertising your business is on Facebook, if you are an artist everyone will ask for a FB page, many services integrate with Facebook.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg: Building Global Community

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Post by Shish2k »

wu-ikkyu wrote: post #77
jbooth wrote: post #57

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We've gone from 85% of the global population in extreme poverty to 25%. https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/declining-global-poverty-...

Percentages can be highly misleading because they abstract from the hard reality of absolute numbers. This is especially true when considering the exponential nature of population growth. The cited percentage change would be far more encouraging if population was constant, but it's not.

There's been a significant decrease in absolute numbers as well as percentage :)

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/world-population-in-extre...

Re: Mark Zuckerberg: Building Global Community

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Post by wu-ikkyu »

Shish2k wrote: post #169
wu-ikkyu wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Percentages can be highly misleading because they abstract from the hard reality of absolute numbers. This is especially true when considering the exponential nature of population growth. The cited percentage change would be far more encouraging if population was constant, but it's not.

There's been a significant decrease in absolute numbers as well as percentage :) https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/world-population-in-extre...

That graph is more informative. In terms of absolute numbers, extreme poverty has decreased by about 30% since 1820.

I tried finding a similar graph/data set in regard to "regular" poverty (rather than "extreme") but couldn't find one. Does anyone have a source for the change in absolute numbers of regular poverty?

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