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The woes of Windows 10

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Re: The woes of Windows 10

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Post by acomjean »

danudey wrote: post #142
nu5500 wrote: post #99

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How was this upgrade forced on you? I use several machines that are still happily running Win7 and 8.

They had a dialog saying "Hey, do you want to upgrade?" and if you closed it or said no it would leave you alone for a bit. Then it would pop up and say "Hey, do you want to upgrade?" and if you said no it would leave you alone but if you closed it it would assume you were okay with it. I know a lot of people who woke up one morning and their computer was running Windows 10 without their approval, despite having said…

That happened to my coworker. All of a sudden windows 10. There was a way to revert it to the older version, but it took some time.

Re: The woes of Windows 10

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Post by mschuster91 »

Well, the reason why corporate users are holding on to W7 is easy: training costs. With XP and even W7, you could at least switch the majority of the GUI to look and feel like good old W95/98/ME... no way to do so with W10.

Also many companies don't want the legal risk associated with telemetry (you never know what data leaves your premises and heads towards MS), and small-ish businesses are afraid of the non-disableable automatic updates - I certainly wouldn't want to get into the office and $essential_program has stopped working over night due to an update gone bad.

Re: The woes of Windows 10

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Post by 0xFFC »

becarefulyo wrote: post #154
0xFFC wrote: post #129

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It got better for Edge after anniversary update. But I would not call that "fixed", because it is not on par with ClearType. Microsoft can go fuck himself, I am not going change my monitor/hardware everytime he wants. I would be much much happy with my Fedora/Ubuntu, or if I want good support there is always apple much superior to Microsoft.

Apple uses grayscale font rendering too, not even pixel aligned. It looks nice because all of their devices are high DPI.

Exactly, They know their hardware, and trying to optimize their software for their hardware.

Microsoft do know what hardware people use (in third world country I would say 99% of people do use low dpi monitor), but they changed and ruined people experience anyway. That is the main point, they don't care about existing user.

I bet if apple monitors was low-dpi monitor, apple would do everything they can to improve font rendering in their low-dpi monitors.

Do you see the mindset?

Re: The woes of Windows 10

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Post by hfsktr »

I must be in the huge minority. I haven't had a single issue with Windows 10 (if we disregard privacy). Literally everything has just worked.

I will say thinking about it that my computer used for 99.99% gaming/internet/text documents. I keep anticipating that something is going to go horribly wrong but so far it's been great.

I hate the menu and store that it shows so almost everything I tend to open has a shortcut on the desktop or is pinned to the toolbar.

Having a functional toolbar on both monitors. That right there was all I wished windows 7 would do but otherwise I can barely tell that the OS is different.

I never used windows 8 so I don't have a comparison to that but I've seen Windows ME...

Re: The woes of Windows 10

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Post by Retr0spectrum »

eumoria wrote: post #156
Unbeliever69 wrote: post #57

I am a manager at a small architecture firm and Windows 10 has brought nothing but woe to my office. We have spent dozens of hours and thousands of dollars troubleshooting and fixing problems (many of which remain unresolved) that occurred as a result of this draconian forced upgrade (and updates that followed). So what if we got the upgrade for free. I've paid for it many times over in labor!

Every time I hear about updates being "forced," yes, Microsoft did some shady things to trick non-tech people into the upgrade which I agree is shady. However any competent IT manager would know how to stop that from happening. Even a cursory google search shows you how to remove the windows update that starts the upgrade. Also all computers on a network domain will not auto update. Each time I read of an IT manager…

Clearly something has gone very wrong when an IT manager allowing a software update is considered to be making a "Massive Mistake".

Re: The woes of Windows 10

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Post by titanix2 »

ryanplant-au wrote: post #128
mnm1 wrote: post #80

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Profit. How else is Microsoft (or any other company) going to make money off software no one needs or wants? Other than rehashing the same old product and pushing it onto users for more money, more surveillance, or both, they have nothing of value to sell on the software side. Even if they did have something of value to sell, over 90% of the people have already bought their product. Gotta keep the cash rolling in so…

I don't quite follow. You seem to be saying that Microsoft make changes just to justify the release of a new OS version. But they announced quite a while ago that they would never release a new major version. There will never be a Windows 11, you will never pay to upgrade Windows to the new version again. They adopted the macOS platform, where the OS sticks to a single version and gets an incremental annual update (m…

Microsoft change its policy way to quickly and often (eg. about XBox One features, Windows Phone) for this announce to be taken at face value. Maybe its true but if the Windows 10 market penetration does not go as expected (as it seems to be) the strategy will change.

Re: The woes of Windows 10

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Post by distantsounds »

hfsktr wrote: post #164

I must be in the huge minority. I haven't had a single issue with Windows 10 (if we disregard privacy). Literally everything has just worked. I will say thinking about it that my computer used for 99.99% gaming/internet/text documents. I keep anticipating that something is going to go horribly wrong but so far it's been great. I hate the menu and store that it shows so almost everything I tend to open has a shortcut…

You can remove just about all the tiles and extra bloat from the Start Menu, bringing on a more familiar return of what it used to be. Just right-click and 'remove' every tile until there's nothing left.

Re: The woes of Windows 10

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Post by Pica_soO »

distantsounds wrote: post #167
hfsktr wrote: post #164

I must be in the huge minority. I haven't had a single issue with Windows 10 (if we disregard privacy). Literally everything has just worked. I will say thinking about it that my computer used for 99.99% gaming/internet/text documents. I keep anticipating that something is going to go horribly wrong but so far it's been great. I hate the menu and store that it shows so almost everything I tend to open has a shortcut…

You can remove just about all the tiles and extra bloat from the Start Menu, bringing on a more familiar return of what it used to be. Just right-click and 'remove' every tile until there's nothing left.

If i wanted to work to customize my OS, i would have Nuxed it.

Re: The woes of Windows 10

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Post by tomovo »

shmerl wrote: post #37
HalfwayToDice wrote: post #31

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"Apple simply lets MacOS rot by not giving it any attention." It gets a major update every year?

> It gets a major update every year? Yeah, so where is OpenGL 4.5?

Exactly. It's a shame Apple didn't adopt Vulkan and went with their own proprietary Metal API. Yet another reason for game developers to keep ignoring the platform.

Re: The woes of Windows 10

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Post by WorldMaker »

mark-r wrote: post #105
WorldMaker wrote: post #91

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Outlook Mail and Calendar is the replacement for Windows Live Mail. https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/store/p/mail-and-calendar/9w...

But apparently you need Windows 10 to use it. Not gonna happen, see above.

There was a version of it for Windows 8 as well. I was completing the chain for anyone curious about application lineage that wasn't opposed to Windows 8+.
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