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I'm Loyal to Nothing Except the Dream

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Re: I'm Loyal to Nothing Except the Dream

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The question then becomes why were the bombings not getting as much or more coverage than a temporary visa ban? 5 of the 7 countries on the visa list are currently being bombed by the US [0]. It's no surprise then that these countries made it on to the Obama administration's list of countries that are sources of terror, which was used as the basis for Trump's visa ban. From a security perspective it's difficult to ar…

Maybe because the bombings were in faraway countries and had scant information about them? In a large enough city, people generally don't hear about murders that don't happen in their neighborhood nor receive outsized public coverage.

I agree that this plays a large part.

People are angry at Trump for the visa ban, but it would never have come to that if not for the destabilizing actions of previous U.S. administrations.

Re: I'm Loyal to Nothing Except the Dream

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> It is quite likely, that if Democrats nominated Sanders, he would win with Trump. I haven't seen a single political analysis which shows a path for him to do that. Do you have any examples?

The GOP had a ton of dirt on Sanders that they never used. If they had, he likely would have done much worse than Clinton. http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/12/the-2016-electi...

How could that dirt be worse than what we have/had on Trump? Does it even matter?

Re: I'm Loyal to Nothing Except the Dream

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Still it is not. Because when you leave out China, Egypt, India, Indonesia, Malaysia, Nigeria, Algeria, Morocco, Pakistan, Germany, Turkey, UK, France ... which each have a lot of Muslims there whether in relative or absolute terms. The ban is only for arabs in very unstable countries and Iran. There is no good reason to allow entry of people from countries that are at (civil) war and Iran is adversary, so there is n…

> There is no good reason to allow entry of people from countries that are at (civil) war There is a very good reason: a humanitarian one. I do not know how a nation where 70% of the population calls itself christian could turn away refugees from war-torn countries. > there is no reason for non diplomatic personal Iranians to enter US at all. Top US universities and tech firms beg to differ. The US got the best unive…

> There is a very good reason: a humanitarian one

Well, if we're going all humanitarian, the humanitarian thing to do would be to stop bombing these countries in the first place.

Re: I'm Loyal to Nothing Except the Dream

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You were listening to wrong people.

Which people should we listen to?

> Yet people seemed to be awfully calm when Obama was droning weddings. I'm not saying we should've put so much hate towards Obama as well, I'm saying we should put things into perspective.

There were in fact people and organisations who spoke up when Obama was droning schools, hospitals, wedings and funerals.

They do exist. People just chose not to listen.

Re: I'm Loyal to Nothing Except the Dream

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That's not how Americans view it. The notion of belonging to a nation is very different in the New World, as best exemplified by this map. https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Jus_soli_world.svg...

This map doesn't say anything about visa holders and green card holders. It is only relevant for persons born in the country, which I'm assuming most visa/green card holders aren't.

It was intended to convey the difference in attitudes, not relevant law.

Re: I'm Loyal to Nothing Except the Dream

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"We lead the free world. And we do it by taking the higher moral ground, doing what is right before doing what is expedient."

It's at this point that you know for sure Jeff is ignorant of American government policy.

His heart seems in the right place and he's taking some important steps. But along with it I think he needs to educate himself. Can't fix problems you don't even believe exist.

Re: I'm Loyal to Nothing Except the Dream

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> he is an outsider to the established system He's a billionaire who inherited around $750 million. He didn't pay his taxes. His chief of staff was chairman of the Republican party. His cabinet have a combined net worth of $6 billion. If anyone represents the powers-that-be, he does. If anyone has a glib marketing campaign, it's the Trump presidency in claiming to be 'outsiders'. And if you think the political system…

>He's a billionaire who inherited around $750 million He didn't inherit it with a bunch of strings attached from lobbyists. The Clintons have been pulling money into their foundation leveraging political connections built up over decades. People don't care that he's rich with daddy's money, they care that it's not "decades of political speeches and political fundraising money". >He didn't pay his taxes He would be a…

Ah! A breath of fresh air on HN.

>He would be a moron if he didn't pay the legally required amount

Precisely. Why would anyone pay more taxes than they're legally required to? He'd be in jail otherwise. You see, people are caught up in complexity instead of asking simple questions such as these. It is however so blatantly obvious that folks attacking Trump on such issues don't have anything concrete to discredit President Trump.

>>He's a billionaire who inherited around $750 million

Again, WRONG! So blatantly obvious this is a lie. He did not inherit that much and even if he did, why is that a problem for anyone? Trump's voters weren't voting for his flaws (which were largely exaggerated by the dishonest media), they were voting for him because he was the only one who seemed to understand just how dire things have become, not just in America but globally. The left has largely been all about status quo and the vilification of producers.

What has emerged now is that the left cannot be placated any longer. Time for radical action has come. Immorality, indolence, abortions, illegal immigration, egalitarianism, fundamentalism/Islamic radicalization and social welfare have no place in 21st century civilization.

It is time for normalcy to resume and voters all over the world from France To Italy To America have realized that only the right can provide this normalcy. All the socialist parties in the world are losing and this is a clear indication that the pendulum has swung for the better.

EDIT: Here's a list of world leaders likely to emulate the brilliant things Trump is doing when they come into power:

Norbert Hofer - Austria,

Marine Le Pen - France,

Frauke Petry - Germany (with a very impressive movement called Alternative For Germany which has taken a cue from Brexit with their anti-EU mantra),

Jimmie Akesson - Sweden,

Andrej Babis - Czech,

Beppe Grillo - Italy,

Geert Wilders - Netherlanders,

Nigel Farage - United Kingdom

Re: I'm Loyal to Nothing Except the Dream

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The GOP had a ton of dirt on Sanders that they never used. If they had, he likely would have done much worse than Clinton. http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/12/the-2016-electi...

How could that dirt be worse than what we have/had on Trump? Does it even matter?

The question (and it's obviously an Earth-2 counterfactual), is how the dirt on Sanders would have compared to the email server calumny on Clinton.

Anyway, my whole theory of the election is that since they turned on the Large Hadron Collider we've been living in one of the "bad" multiverses.

Re: I'm Loyal to Nothing Except the Dream

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post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The GOP had a ton of dirt on Sanders that they never used. If they had, he likely would have done much worse than Clinton. http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/12/the-2016-electi...

How could that dirt be worse than what we have/had on Trump? Does it even matter?

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Re: I'm Loyal to Nothing Except the Dream

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> he is an outsider to the established system He's a billionaire who inherited around $750 million. He didn't pay his taxes. His chief of staff was chairman of the Republican party. His cabinet have a combined net worth of $6 billion. If anyone represents the powers-that-be, he does. If anyone has a glib marketing campaign, it's the Trump presidency in claiming to be 'outsiders'. And if you think the political system…

>He's a billionaire who inherited around $750 million He didn't inherit it with a bunch of strings attached from lobbyists. The Clintons have been pulling money into their foundation leveraging political connections built up over decades. People don't care that he's rich with daddy's money, they care that it's not "decades of political speeches and political fundraising money". >He didn't pay his taxes He would be a…

> He didn't inherit it

That is not the point.

Why is Clinton owing the wealthy for their donations a problem? Because it makes her more likely to yield to their demands. Corruption creates a pay-to-win game.

But putting the wealthy in power cuts the middle man, worsening the situation: now they don't even need to provide donations, they are either on the President's cabinet, or are the President himself!

> "drain the swap" was the slogan

Populism at work; there was no need for it to be honest. It is a true issue, but someone that points it out does not automatically become an outsider of the system. He was very much part of the system, and was open about it, bragging about his political donations.

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