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Re: A Visa for founders, engineers and investors willing to join France

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Post by guelo » Mon, Jan 16, 2017, 5:19 PM UTC

hacker_9 wrote: post #79

jlangenauer wrote: post #5

Apropos of this, I was in Paris recently at a startup event, and was pleasantly shocked at the sheer number of startups and people I saw doing things. This is a good move by the French, and will help attract entrepreneurs away from other countries (particularly like those just across the channel currently inflicting generational economic damage on themselves.)

As someone from the UK, my main reason for not moving anywhere else in Europe is the language barrier. I'm not even sure I'm capable of learning another language; 5 years in school trying to learn French + German, and can still only put together about two sentences. From what I remember, no one else seemed to really pick up the languages either.

Since brits will probably be loosing their EU work visas soon you probably don't have to worry about having to learn another language any more.

Re: A Visa for founders, engineers and investors willing to join France

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Post by CretinDesAlpes » Mon, Jan 16, 2017, 5:20 PM UTC

danjoc wrote: post #122

No. Sorry. Not interested... French crypto regulations are absurd. https://yro.slashdot.org/story/16/03/03/235220/french-bill-c...

In the meantime in UK... https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/nov/19/extreme-survei...

Snowden: "The UK has just legalised the most extreme surveillance in the history of western democracy. It goes further than many autocracies."

Re: A Visa for founders, engineers and investors willing to join France

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Post by tormeh » Mon, Jan 16, 2017, 5:21 PM UTC

hacker_9 wrote: post #79

jlangenauer wrote: post #5

Apropos of this, I was in Paris recently at a startup event, and was pleasantly shocked at the sheer number of startups and people I saw doing things. This is a good move by the French, and will help attract entrepreneurs away from other countries (particularly like those just across the channel currently inflicting generational economic damage on themselves.)

As someone from the UK, my main reason for not moving anywhere else in Europe is the language barrier. I'm not even sure I'm capable of learning another language; 5 years in school trying to learn French + German, and can still only put together about two sentences. From what I remember, no one else seemed to really pick up the languages either.

Yeah, to learn a language you have to use it. School is a good start, but that's not usually how anyone progresses to the higher levels. Basically, you have to move to the country first and learn the language afterwards.

But yeah, English being the modern lingua franca is a major benefit to SV, London, etc.

Re: A Visa for founders, engineers and investors willing to join France

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Post by stult » Mon, Jan 16, 2017, 5:22 PM UTC

tqkxzugoaupvwqr wrote: post #102

hacker_9 wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone from the UK, my main reason for not moving anywhere else in Europe is the language barrier. I'm not even sure I'm capable of learning another language; 5 years in school trying to learn French + German, and can still only put together about two sentences. From what I remember, no one else seemed to really pick up the languages either.

Learning a language in school is different from learning it by yourself. School is force-feeding you everything, at a pace possibly not suited for yourself. You might even start disliking something you liked before because grading and tests sucks the joy out of things. If you, on the other hand, start to learn a language now you can get quite far in a reasonable amount of time (months). Its the difference between ext…

Also necessity is quite a motivator and immersion helps tremendously. I'm terrible at teaching myself languages or learning them in school but can pick them up quickly when I'm living abroad where I am immersed in the foreign language and compelled to use it for daily interactions.

Re: A Visa for founders, engineers and investors willing to join France

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Post by finid » Mon, Jan 16, 2017, 5:23 PM UTC

So I tried to subscribe again and finally got a response, which reads:

` Bonjour,

Nous vous confirmons que nous venons de recevoir votre email depuis http://visa.lafrenchtech.com

Merci. A très vite.

Bonne journée

Envoyé depuis http://visa.lafrenchtech.com `

No big deal, I have a pretty good idea what that means, even though I don't speak French, but if they're trying to market to an English-speaking audience, me thinks they should at least have a version of that message in English.

Re: A Visa for founders, engineers and investors willing to join France

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Post by brilliantcode » Mon, Jan 16, 2017, 5:24 PM UTC

I really don't see the point unless there are grants and labor based tax credits. Canada has the right model but it's still tough for small businesses to secure grant.

Re: A Visa for founders, engineers and investors willing to join France

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Post by sylvinus » Mon, Jan 16, 2017, 5:24 PM UTC

bankim wrote: post #82

What are salaries like for mid-senior level software engineers working in tech companies in Paris? What are the tax rates i.e pay after taxes?

Others have replied on the salary ranges, but don't forget to factor in free healthcare, excellent public schools, ...

Re: A Visa for founders, engineers and investors willing to join France

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Post by mamadrood » Mon, Jan 16, 2017, 5:24 PM UTC

throwaway1892 wrote: post #123

bankim wrote: post #82

What are salaries like for mid-senior level software engineers working in tech companies in Paris? What are the tax rates i.e pay after taxes?

I would say 46+ k€, before taxes, which are 33% corporate tax rate and ~30% on personal income. But I'm not sure how it applies to people with tech visa.

46k is really low in France for an experienced dev and that's outside of Paris. Junior dev engineer earn at least 45k when they begin in Paris, and it gets to 60k in about 5-10 years. Also corporate taxes are about 23% but you're right on personal income.

Re: A Visa for founders, engineers and investors willing to join France

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Post by cygnus » Mon, Jan 16, 2017, 5:24 PM UTC

manuelbieh wrote: post #109

If you take a look at the french economy, their political system, their tax rates and social security system you don't actually want to work and/or live there as a startup founder, so no need for a visa. Nice try, France. // edit: ah, not to forget about their unwillingness to treat you as human being when not speaking their language.

I'm French and I agree with this. I left a long time ago.

Add:

- the absurd administration burden to do anything

- the absurd prices of anything in Paris

- the lack of consideration for anything that is not in Paris

- the denial of your rights because there might be some terrorists

No way, no reviens Leon.

Re: A Visa for founders, engineers and investors willing to join France

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Post by oaron » Mon, Jan 16, 2017, 5:25 PM UTC

bankim wrote: post #82

What are salaries like for mid-senior level software engineers working in tech companies in Paris? What are the tax rates i.e pay after taxes?

I am using https://salaryaftertax.com/fr to compute the net salary, but I am not sure whether it offers the complete picture. Could anyone familiar with the taxation in France offer more details?