Atlassian acquires Trello for $425M • Hacker News Board

Re: Atlassian acquires Trello for $425M

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Post by problems » Mon, Jan 09, 2017, 3:41 PM UTC

anildash wrote: post #157

slantyyz wrote: post #148

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They still offer an on-premises version though. IIRC, their on-prem version price was fairly reasonable (that was almost 10y ago though)

(I'm the CEO at Fog Creek.) We've updated the on-premise version of FogBugz to be completely in sync with the hosted version, so all the latest features are on both now.

If you're willing to talk publicly, what's the pricing like for a very small, self-hosted group? I'm talking 3 normal users, might scale up to 5 or so.

We're probably too small to be worth your time, but JIRA is offering $10/yr for up to 10 users, $10 more if you want the JIRA Agile features too.

Re: Atlassian acquires Trello for $425M

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Post by solatic » Mon, Jan 09, 2017, 3:42 PM UTC

akjainaj wrote: post #63

zuck9 wrote: post #43

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Imo, GitLab is a more worthy competitor than BitBucket.

I agree with you, to me it looks like BitBucket hasn't evolved at all in five years. The only change worth mentioning is that they made me transition to an "Atlassian account", which was as annoying as when Flickr made me create a Yahoo account.

If you're only comparing Bitbucket by itself to Gitlab then you'd be correct.

If you do a fair comparison and compare the entire Atlassian suite to Gitlab, then you see that the Atlassian suite is far more powerful for most enterprise use cases, which typically involve highly customized workflows and reporting in Jira. The integrations with Jira, making it incredibly easy for higher ups to follow overall progress on software projects that are tied to complicated business processes with long lifecycles, to help understand where the enterprise is in its lifecycle on any given issue and reprioritize resources to prioritized tasks as needed.

Nobody has an issue tracker that really competes with Jira in this space, least of all Gitlab.

Re: Atlassian acquires Trello for $425M

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Post by ferdbold » Mon, Jan 09, 2017, 3:42 PM UTC

knocte wrote: post #142

aioprisan wrote: post #97

There's an open source clone of Trello that you can self-host: https://wekan.io/

Gitlab also recently made their issues-UI very Trelloish. And Gitlab is opensource too.

In the same vein, GitHub also has Projects now.

Re: Atlassian acquires Trello for $425M

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Post by akjainaj » Mon, Jan 09, 2017, 3:42 PM UTC

disposition2 wrote: post #151

akjainaj wrote: post #111

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It's okay. It's just that I tried to use it a few months ago and saw they still don't even have syntax highlighting for diffs. It's pretty depressing and it makes it look like they have abandoned the service.

It looks like they have added it now. I wonder if they were slow on updating their site because of Sourcetree, which I personally love (especially since it is a cross-platoform [Mac/Win] GUI client).

No they haven't... I just checked. No syntax highlighting for diffs.

Re: Atlassian acquires Trello for $425M

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Post by lucb1e » Mon, Jan 09, 2017, 3:43 PM UTC

tckr wrote: post #41

bryanrasmussen wrote: post #7

Anyone know a good simple trello competitor that I can import my trello boards to really quick.

https://taiga.io/ look pretty good the last time I did a research for this question. https://hn.algolia.com/?query=taiga.io&sort=byPopularity&pre...

Taiga is alright, but I can't say I fell in love with it either. Then again, I didn't like Trello any better. Still ended up just using plain text files or spreadsheets.

Re: Atlassian acquires Trello for $425M

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Post by Nullabillity » Mon, Jan 09, 2017, 3:43 PM UTC

slantyyz wrote: post #128

throwaway5752 wrote: post #104

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Funny how much opinions can differ. I've used them both professionally and I think Trello scales poorly above 5-10 people while Jira is the least-worst option for running a project at any team size.

Fogbugz (also created by Fog Creek) is actually a pretty good alternative to JIRA.

> NOTE: We no longer sell FogBugz for Linux to new customers.

Ehh...

Re: Atlassian acquires Trello for $425M

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Post by slantyyz » Mon, Jan 09, 2017, 3:44 PM UTC

ErrantX wrote: post #73

k__ wrote: post #50

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Right, but they don't have a good reputation to start with. Somehow the only good things I heared about them came from people who made their money by building stuff they wanted to sell on the Atlassian platform. People less biased always choose alternatives. I can't say much about them myself. I only used Bitbucket, because of the free private repos. Their UIs are pretty mediocre, but I use it via Git cli, so it does…

So as a counterpoint. I used BitBucket a lot before Atlassian bought them. They were great, but toward the end suffered significantly from load issues. After Atlassian bought them: * The service I paid £5 a month for became free * The stability issues started to improve in a dramatic fashion Today Stash is a great product (IMO), and BitBucket has really improved from having great Jira integration. I was actually sad…

I'm in a similar boat. I kinda disliked Atlassian because of my experiences JIRA.

I generally prefer Bitbucket over Github now (was a paid subscriber of Github). I basically use Bitbucket now for private repos and Github for my public repos, since Github does seem to be the place to put open source projects.

If my Bitbucket needs ever reach the point of having to pay for a subscription, I'll do it gladly.

Re: Atlassian acquires Trello for $425M

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Post by dangoor » Mon, Jan 09, 2017, 3:44 PM UTC

taytus wrote: post #85

I like Trello, I use it often. $450M... for a todo list. Yes, I use it. Yes, I think is useful. Yes, I think this valuation is absolutely crazy.

"I like Facebook, I use it often. $365B... for a message board. Yes, I use it. Yes, I think it is useful. Yes, I think this valuation is absolutely crazy."

Not many todo lists have millions of users, including some that pay actual money for the service. Having looked at many project management tools, Trello has absolutely nailed certain aspects of the user experience that many of the others get wrong. Try pasting an image into a card, for example.

It's not a perfect tool, but if you tried to recreate it yourself, you'd probably start to realize why they netted $450M.

Re: Atlassian acquires Trello for $425M

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Post by WayneBro » Mon, Jan 09, 2017, 3:44 PM UTC

marcinkuzminski wrote: post #146

WayneBro wrote: post #143

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I've been using BitBucket for years and the lack of syntax highlighting for diffs has never even occurred to me. Why would you want to use such a limited diff tool at all? Personally, I use the best diff tool that I can find and so far that's BeyondCompare from Scooter Software.

it becomes more important when you use this for code-review. Then reach diffs makes more sense. Once you start using them you don't want to go back :)

I do use diffs for code review. I simply use a much, much better native tool instead of a crappy web tool.

Re: Atlassian acquires Trello for $425M

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Post by lucb1e » Mon, Jan 09, 2017, 3:45 PM UTC

kevando wrote: post #47

Can we all start using Trello clones as the tutorial substance? So in case Atlassian screws it up, we have 100s of developers that know how to re-create it? :D

Besides being a good one, it also didn't sound like a terrible idea at first. Boards with cards is a suitable simple application for beginners (or people that are just learning a new environment/language).

Then I remembered my difficulty with finding a proper to-do app. Yes, it will have millions of people make a clone, but it will also have thousands publishing crappy versions.