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Re: Apple cuts Tim Cook's pay 15% for missing sales goals

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Post by tomovo » Fri, Jan 06, 2017, 7:21 PM UTC

aljones wrote: post #116

evan_ wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All I know is that I have Philips Hue lights, Belkin Wemo switches, and a Nest thermostat and none of them connect to HomeKit. For the Hue I have to buy a new bridge, Belkin says that they can't support it without completely new hardware[1], and Nest is completely mum on the issue but presumably there's no hope of support in the near future. These devices all have active developer communities and good API/interaction…

The issue is Apple's security standards.

The same standards that let a stranger stand in front of your door and say "hey Siri, open the front door" and walk right in?

Re: Apple cuts Tim Cook's pay 15% for missing sales goals

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Post by rimantas » Fri, Jan 06, 2017, 7:21 PM UTC

chrisabrams wrote: post #88

rblatz wrote: post #68

People are all up in arms about headphone jacks, USB-C, and dongles. When the real issue is Apple completely missing huge new markets. Apple had Siri out and was in the lead with voice control, then they wasted it. I never use Siri, she is nearly worthless, but I do use Alexa multiple times a day. Amazon is Leading the voice assistant market, and Google is right on their heels. Home automation was supposed to get bet…

Steve and the unified vision is gone. While on winter holidays my fiance pointed out to me: - She just got a new Macbook Pro from her new job, which has only USB C ports - She just got a new iPhone 7 from her new job, which is only a Lightning port She cannot connect her phone to her computer to charge without a dongle. EDIT: a Lightning to USB C cable does exist now. That is still equivalent to a dongle in my opinio…

Unified vision is wireless. What I widh were gone it's this kind of comments.

Re: Apple cuts Tim Cook's pay 15% for missing sales goals

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Post by a_carbon_rod » Fri, Jan 06, 2017, 7:21 PM UTC

yurymik wrote: post #149

chrisabrams wrote: post #88

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Steve and the unified vision is gone. While on winter holidays my fiance pointed out to me: - She just got a new Macbook Pro from her new job, which has only USB C ports - She just got a new iPhone 7 from her new job, which is only a Lightning port She cannot connect her phone to her computer to charge without a dongle. EDIT: a Lightning to USB C cable does exist now. That is still equivalent to a dongle in my opinio…

> She cannot connect her phone to her computer to charge without a dongle. Is it still a valid point once USB-C to Lightning Cable is out? http://www.apple.com/us/shop/product/MK0X2AM/A/usb-c-to-ligh...

Does Apple include that cable with either the iPhone or the MacBook though? I consider it to be unreasonable to expect consumers to fork over more money to connect two devices from the same company to one another.

Re: Apple cuts Tim Cook's pay 15% for missing sales goals

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Post by tobyjsullivan » Fri, Jan 06, 2017, 7:22 PM UTC

karyon wrote: post #138

ChuckMcM wrote: post #90

Like others I don't shed a lot of tears when an exec makes only 89% of their multi-million dollar target bonus :-) I asked an exec at Oracle once about how it was even motivating. For much of my career I've had some sort of bonus associated with my salary, at Sun, NetApp, Google all had bonus programs (with different tweaks). And for an engineer it could be a huge thing. At Google with all the multipliers in place yo…

This sounds a bit like "my income is normal, and everyone above that is rich"-thinking that a lot of people have.(if there's a word for that i'd appreciate any hints :) ) i'd definitely consider engineers at google to be rich and don't see how another 200k makes that much of a difference. you think these execs are rich and don't see how another million makes a difference. and the execs consider billionaires to be ric…

I'm no expert but I think this would qualify as a projection bias.

Re: Apple cuts Tim Cook's pay 15% for missing sales goals

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Post by JakeTheAndroid » Fri, Jan 06, 2017, 7:22 PM UTC

aljones wrote: post #116

evan_ wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All I know is that I have Philips Hue lights, Belkin Wemo switches, and a Nest thermostat and none of them connect to HomeKit. For the Hue I have to buy a new bridge, Belkin says that they can't support it without completely new hardware[1], and Nest is completely mum on the issue but presumably there's no hope of support in the near future. These devices all have active developer communities and good API/interaction…

The issue is Apple's security standards.

Yes, it is a security standard issue, but it's enforced with hardware. So, while this is there for a reason (possibly even setting a standard for these IoT devices), it's not simply a lack of developers building secure software. It's with the hardware not being spec'd to meet these "arbitrary" security standards. I say arbitrary because clearly no one else in the game is using it. So, I think the OP is correct here, Apple has made a product that simply doesn't work with other products due to their own decisions.

Edit: Typos

Re: Apple cuts Tim Cook's pay 15% for missing sales goals

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Post by rimantas » Fri, Jan 06, 2017, 7:22 PM UTC

qyv wrote: post #122

mtw wrote: post #119

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Unified vision was nice. What interested me first in the Apple ecosystem was its use by high-end pros. Photographers, creatives, filmmakers. Then they announced MacOS X, built upon NeXT/BSD, and the mac pro products. Now Microsoft has dedicated products for high-end creatives (Surface studio won't sell but still shows interest in pros), Linux Bash shell in windows 10. Meanwhile Apple wants pros to use a 9" tablet ins…

If 2017 turns out to be the year the VR starts to hit the main stream, which it could be, it will be interesting to see what Apple's response will be.

It will be a year when VR hype scales back. Not the first time and not the last one.

Re: Apple cuts Tim Cook's pay 15% for missing sales goals

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Post by no_gravity » Fri, Jan 06, 2017, 7:24 PM UTC

chrisabrams wrote: post #88

rblatz wrote: post #68

People are all up in arms about headphone jacks, USB-C, and dongles. When the real issue is Apple completely missing huge new markets. Apple had Siri out and was in the lead with voice control, then they wasted it. I never use Siri, she is nearly worthless, but I do use Alexa multiple times a day. Amazon is Leading the voice assistant market, and Google is right on their heels. Home automation was supposed to get bet…

Steve and the unified vision is gone. While on winter holidays my fiance pointed out to me: - She just got a new Macbook Pro from her new job, which has only USB C ports - She just got a new iPhone 7 from her new job, which is only a Lightning port She cannot connect her phone to her computer to charge without a dongle. EDIT: a Lightning to USB C cable does exist now. That is still equivalent to a dongle in my opinio…

Is there no Lightning to USB C cable?

Re: Apple cuts Tim Cook's pay 15% for missing sales goals

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Post by karyon » Fri, Jan 06, 2017, 7:24 PM UTC

zackkrida wrote: post #152

karyon wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This sounds a bit like "my income is normal, and everyone above that is rich"-thinking that a lot of people have.(if there's a word for that i'd appreciate any hints :) ) i'd definitely consider engineers at google to be rich and don't see how another 200k makes that much of a difference. you think these execs are rich and don't see how another million makes a difference. and the execs consider billionaires to be ric…

This would be true except that there are fixed costs of living. Say Tim Cook was making three million less -- is he going to have to make lifestyle changes to spend 3 million less a year? No way. A person making 60k a year losing 15% of their income? There's likely to be significant lifestyle changes.

I'm pretty sure that there are lifestyles that burn several millions per year, and my guess would be there are people living a happy life with less than 60k.

but of course it's true that the further you go up the scale, the more absurd it becomes to talk about serious comfort losses, and there's a point on the lower end where we're talking about actual poverty.

Re: Apple cuts Tim Cook's pay 15% for missing sales goals

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Post by chrisabrams » Fri, Jan 06, 2017, 7:26 PM UTC

a_carbon_rod wrote: post #163

yurymik wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> She cannot connect her phone to her computer to charge without a dongle. Is it still a valid point once USB-C to Lightning Cable is out? http://www.apple.com/us/shop/product/MK0X2AM/A/usb-c-to-ligh...

Does Apple include that cable with either the iPhone or the MacBook though? I consider it to be unreasonable to expect consumers to fork over more money to connect two devices from the same company to one another.

No, the current expectation is the consumer to buy it :/

Re: Apple cuts Tim Cook's pay 15% for missing sales goals

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Post by tribby » Fri, Jan 06, 2017, 7:26 PM UTC

artimaeis wrote: post #146

notwhoyouthink wrote: post #125

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> Given that - it seems only a matter of time until an iPhone which has no ports, similar to the Apple Watch. Unless we invent seriously good wireless charging, I just can't see that happening. There's too many cases where having your phone "docked" just doesn't work. Personally, I usually fall asleep with my phone laying on the bed next to me playing YouTube/Netflix/etc. No way to do that if it has to be resting on…

The Apple Watch doesn't use a pad charger - it uses a magnetic puck which attaches fairly firmly* to the device. Right now the puck is fairly large and thick, but I can hope that in the next 5 years Apple can manage to reduce its size a bit and provide an interface for it which works with the iPhone. Given that general design I imagine sleeping with the phone next to you in bed or in a cup holder shouldn't be much di…

> Jony Ive has a thing for reducing devices to their core-most functionality. It's a design trait picked up from the likes of Deiter Rams.

Ive likes to associate himself with Rams, and people like to throw around the "as little design as possible" meme, but Ive and Rams are really very different in their execution of that idea, which counts for a lot. Ive is much more willing to challenge convention in his reductions, which sometimes pays off, but sometimes it means his products are a pain in the ass for the user to figure out when they ship. This can't be said of Rams.