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Choose Firefox Now, Or Later You Won't Get A Choice (2014)

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Re: Choose Firefox Now, Or Later You Won't Get A Choice (2014)

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Post by blub »

babayega2 wrote: post #30
PeterStuer wrote: post #12

As a long term Firefox user, the number of times I have to fire up Chrome because a site will not display correctly in Firefox grows month by month. :(

I have been using Opera. It behave really like Chrome ( I guess it's based on Blink). With less memory consumption. VPN included, add blocker included, and most of all, the best stuff I'd really like to see ported to Chrome: extensions opening at the left Sidebar of the page. So now I can access Google Keep, Translation, 2048 ...on the same page while reading HN, or anything.

Opera is now owned by an untrustworthy "group of investors", which males all of the above features useless.

Re: Choose Firefox Now, Or Later You Won't Get A Choice (2014)

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Post by pjmlp »

Inconel wrote: post #154
pjmlp wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

ChromeOS, while not that much successful outside USA, it appears to be a thing there. So if you have a browser based OS, which happens to be loved by the USA school system, which browser do you think many US devs will care mostly about?

I'm not trying to be contrarian here but why do you consider ChromeOS to be an abuse of monopoly power? Is it because ChromeOS development is being subsidized by ad revenue to enter into a new market?

Can you install alternative browsers on ChromeOS, when the OS is basically a UI managing Chrome instances?

Re: Choose Firefox Now, Or Later You Won't Get A Choice (2014)

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Post by bigbugbag »

thro3212 wrote: post #70

Another nice alternative is Opera. It has better battery life and most features from Chrome (dev tools, process viewer...).

No, no it's not. it used to be until profit driven board evicted founder and moved away from their rendering engine and dropped every innovation from opera to become a clone.

vivaldi[1] is where the innovation happens.

otter[2] is the open source project to recreate the innovating opera.

Then again the alternative to chrome has been iron[3] from the start and more recently epic[4]

[1]: https://vivaldi.com/ [2]: https://otter-browser.org/ [3]: http://www.srware.net/en/software_srware_iron.php [4]: https://www.epicbrowser.com/

Re: Choose Firefox Now, Or Later You Won't Get A Choice (2014)

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Post by agumonkey »

rubyn00bie wrote: post #97

Daily Firefox user here. Switched back from Chrome a couple years ago and haven't looked back. Just seeing the comments here exasperates me... So for those who don't know, the Internet is heavily biased towards Chrome. Simple pages that should render no differently in FF than Chrome are often broken. This "Chrome is great, screw everything else" attitude is exactly how we ended up with IE and stagnation in standards/…

I know Firefox has made immense progress in a lot of hard components. But the UI lag is ... ridiculous. And I mean it lovingly, I have nothing against "slow", I still love my HP48 calc which is sluggish in a way, but it's not jitter-lag.

I love Firefox extensions, I love the bookmark editor, I love the non-big-corp centric coupling. But I can only use it for long periods of time if chrome has a bug (I use canary). Or when they send a memory debugging build which are as sluggish as Firefox.

Every time I run Firefox I'm sad thinking about Firefox 2 with good old basic windows gui.

Also, since Chrome 56, maybe it's just an accounting trick, but memory usage dropped tremendously...

Re: Choose Firefox Now, Or Later You Won't Get A Choice (2014)

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Post by tehabe »

nishs wrote: post #23
mattparlane wrote: post #2

(2014)

And even more relevant today. Especially after yesterday's fiasco where Chrome doesn't allow installing self-made extensions permanently—forcing you to publish on the Chrome Web Store [0]. There were a few years (2010-2014) when Chrome was a clear industry leader: in design, web standards, resource consumption, and championing openness on the Internet. Not anymore, at least for me: * Firefox has built-in Reader mode…

"Killing Chrome Apps" is actually a good thing, at least for the an open web. It means, that apps on the web are supposed to be on the web and not packaged in the browser. Google has said that this was a temporary measure.

Essentially, for those apps or websites it shouldn't matter if they run in Chrome, Safari, Edge, or Firefox.

Re: Choose Firefox Now, Or Later You Won't Get A Choice (2014)

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Post by amelius »

rubyn00bie wrote: post #97

Daily Firefox user here. Switched back from Chrome a couple years ago and haven't looked back. Just seeing the comments here exasperates me... So for those who don't know, the Internet is heavily biased towards Chrome. Simple pages that should render no differently in FF than Chrome are often broken. This "Chrome is great, screw everything else" attitude is exactly how we ended up with IE and stagnation in standards/…

My personal biggest problem with FF is that it uses too much screen real estate compared to Chrome. For example, the tabs are really fat, and the address bar is much thicker, leaving less space for actual content.

Perhaps FF should include a "look-like-chromium" option to win over users (since chromium is open-source, I guess they will not run into copyright issues there).

Re: Choose Firefox Now, Or Later You Won't Get A Choice (2014)

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Post by Inconel »

pjmlp wrote: post #162
Inconel wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not trying to be contrarian here but why do you consider ChromeOS to be an abuse of monopoly power? Is it because ChromeOS development is being subsidized by ad revenue to enter into a new market?

Can you install alternative browsers on ChromeOS, when the OS is basically a UI managing Chrome instances?

No. But unless I'm mistaken ChromeOS doesn't come close to having a dominant position in the OS market. Isn't this somewhat analogous to not being able to install another OS on an iOS device or even a non Webkit based browser?

Again just to be clear, these questions are in good faith, I'm not simply trying to be argumentative, I'm hoping to get a better understanding of the issues.

Re: Choose Firefox Now, Or Later You Won't Get A Choice (2014)

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Post by g00gler »

jonchang wrote: post #49
g00gler wrote: post #37

Why should I use Firefox, or any other browser, from a standard consumer prospective? Let me preface this by saying I am open to a new browser, especially one that is always in "incognito" and doesn't share sessions between tabs/windows. My favorite is Lynx but that doesn't always work . Facebook & Messenger for Android is pretty much spyware and they have over 1B downloads each, so that takes spying out of the discu…

> Why should I use Firefox, or any other browser, from a standard consumer prospective? Because your techie friends tell you to. This moved people off of IE6 to Firefox and this is what initially got people to move to Chrome from Firefox. Google's muscle on its web properties did the rest. Even you admit that Chrome is only marginally better on all benchmarks. For me, it's worth it to help your non-technical friends…

I hate telling people to do things, then they come to me when they inevitably do something wrong :p.

... works for me

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