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Percentage of Young Americans Living with Parents Rises to 75-Year High

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Re: Percentage of Young Americans Living with Parents Rises to 75-Year High

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This was surprising: "Among Gen Xers who have exceeded their parents’ income, those with college degrees are less likely to surpass their parents’ wealth, mostly due to student loan debt."

Gen X here, just turned 40. If you compare how I'm doing with how my parents (who were solidly middle class) were doing, it's not even close. At 40, they had multiple homes, were secure in their savings and retirement through generous pensions, and practically debt free. This was on school teachers' salaries! Me? Student loan debt set me back years, crippling housing costs, and a crappy 401(k) that is probably worth…

My father was an employee of a series of banks. Nothing hugely special - earning the equivalent of about £100k today at that point - but the lifestyle they had by my age is astounding.

By 34 they owned a huge house in the country, several large holiday homes abroad, three cars, private education for the kids, first class flights (for them - I always flew alone to school, economy), motorbikes, you name it.

At the same age, I've done very well for myself compared to my cohort - I own a basement flat and a one bedroom cottage with no roof up a mountain, and have savings - this was from being a director and founder of a 50-ish person business with £MM turnover. I am incredibly concerned for the rest of this generation - if I feel insecure - how does someone renting on a zero-hour contract feel?!?

Part of the myriad resasons I quit my business to wander the world is that I'm done paying for the lavish lifestyles our ancestors enjoyed. Bluntly, it isn't fair, and I'm fed up, and I'm not taking it any more.

Re: Percentage of Young Americans Living with Parents Rises to 75-Year High

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it's the economy, stupid.

americans of generations X and Y got raped out of their money by the looter economy comprised of high-interest big-sum debt, decreasing wages, increasing rent, increasing cost of living, and few jobs. this story gets rehashed every few months (starting from around 2010) as though it's new. it's not new that capitalism has scarred the young.

it took me a while to leave my parents after college-- and it was a miserable period that couldn't have elapsed quickly enough. suffice it to say that young americans stay at home due to not being able to afford any alternatives. even living with roommates is expensive if you're in an area that has jobs-- and most areas do not have any jobs, or any well paying jobs.

we can't save money to move out, nor buy a house, nor save for retirement, etc, etc. it's been this way for nearly ten years. things have actually gotten worse economically, and we're now overdue for another recession. the "main street" economy is completely divorced from any successes of the "wall st" or finance center economy, yet it suffers their failures even more violently.

millenials can't afford to take care of their dying boomer parents... it seems as though they'll grow even poorer while trying, however. millenials can also expect no real return from their investment, as their parents have themselves been hollowed out of wealth by the process of aging.

here is a radical statement: seizing the means of production or forcing the downward redistribution of capital is now justified and overdue... the time wasted waiting for a handout from the business owners or the government would be better spent organizing the young to eat the rich.

Re: Percentage of Young Americans Living with Parents Rises to 75-Year High

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23 year old Indian developer here. The concept of 'moving out' of your parents home is baffling for most of us. I now live in a different city and I share a decent apartment with friends. I can afford to live alone in the apartment I now live in - the rent is 30% of my monthly income and the apartment is 15 minutes away from where I work - but living alone would be just awful. So I'm now paying 11% of my income for r…

Indian here, I have experienced life in India and a Western country. I have noticed Western young adults are more confident and assertive compared to Indian young adults and I think the reason is because Western kids have to be independent after 18 while Indian parents still play a significant role even after their kids have become adults.

I feel the Western model is better.

Re: Percentage of Young Americans Living with Parents Rises to 75-Year High

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post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This was surprising: "Among Gen Xers who have exceeded their parents’ income, those with college degrees are less likely to surpass their parents’ wealth, mostly due to student loan debt."

Gen X here, just turned 40. If you compare how I'm doing with how my parents (who were solidly middle class) were doing, it's not even close. At 40, they had multiple homes, were secure in their savings and retirement through generous pensions, and practically debt free. This was on school teachers' salaries! Me? Student loan debt set me back years, crippling housing costs, and a crappy 401(k) that is probably worth…

If you've been investing in index funds for the past 20 years, your 401k is certainly worth more than what you put in. Hell, even if you invested two lump sums right before the dot-com bust and the 07/08 recession, you're still net positive. The markets are currently at all-time highs.

Re: Percentage of Young Americans Living with Parents Rises to 75-Year High

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23 year old Indian developer here. The concept of 'moving out' of your parents home is baffling for most of us. I now live in a different city and I share a decent apartment with friends. I can afford to live alone in the apartment I now live in - the rent is 30% of my monthly income and the apartment is 15 minutes away from where I work - but living alone would be just awful. So I'm now paying 11% of my income for r…

Indian here, I have experienced life in India and a Western country. I have noticed Western young adults are more confident and assertive compared to Indian young adults and I think the reason is because Western kids have to be independent after 18 while Indian parents still play a significant role even after their kids have become adults. I feel the Western model is better.

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Re: Percentage of Young Americans Living with Parents Rises to 75-Year High

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Disclaimer: this is a somewhat personal-nuanced and anecdotal essay, so skip it if you prefer colder facts. You've been warned. ;)

Eastern European (Bulgarian) 36-year old programmer here, still living in Sofia (the capital).

We don't miss communism and socialism. At all. A good chunk of us around here are competitive and want to demonstrate skills for better money. There are frauds and freeloaders but hell, is there a community where there isn't?

I've witnessed the fall of our regime (1989) when I was 9. Later on the fall of the USSR followed. I didn't quite appreciate these events back then but the effect on the standard of living on the other hand was VERY visible.

It has been a very gradual process, but our country is bleeding brains, skills and money -- badly, and all the time. Quite frankly I don't think that the EU countries are so much better; what good is a triple salary if your rent and bills are triple the amount as well? The only real benefit I guess is to get a citizenship several years down the line and not be afraid that yet another shady government will appropriate all retirement funds and you'll be left with peanuts when you eventually grow old.

My mother lives with me and my girlfriend. Her pension is 60 euros. You read that correctly, it's not a typo. If it wasn't for me, she'd be yet another old woman with eyes full of tears, struggling not to die of cold on the street, and to have a few mouthfuls of bread a day. (Father died a long time ago, back in 2002)

We at Eastern Europe are diverse people. We don't frown upon at either situation -- living with or without parents, but for many people living in a bigger flat/house with the family is simply more convenient (my mother's cooking is absolutely fantastic and is easily worth €30 a meal, I am pretty sure of it!) and makes much more sense financially. It is what it is, we can't do much about it.

Long story short: I am now in ~ €20,000 debt and the thought of getting a mortgage is making me grind my teeth. As other posters said, we're not even close! My mother and father were working governmental jobs and they had an apartment fully paid for when they were at their ages of 40-42. Had two cars. And that was a backwater communistic/socialistic country, a mere satelite of the USSR. I can't imagine how much better many others had it really.

(The fact that I should probably look for a higher paid job since I am in demand is an irony that doesn't escape me, but that's a personal struggle interwoven with many other factors which I won't touch upon here.)

The article has struck many nerves in me. It's true not only in the USA.

Re: Percentage of Young Americans Living with Parents Rises to 75-Year High

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or is this a signal that the broad and rapid American growth in the middle of the 20th century was anomalous, not a baseline? It might not be a "dearth of resources" but a return to the true long-term norm.

Given a large enough time horizon, the only "baseline" lifestyle is subsistence agriculture.

I think it's probably sensible to start after the industrial revolution.

Re: Percentage of Young Americans Living with Parents Rises to 75-Year High

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23 year old Indian developer here. The concept of 'moving out' of your parents home is baffling for most of us. I now live in a different city and I share a decent apartment with friends. I can afford to live alone in the apartment I now live in - the rent is 30% of my monthly income and the apartment is 15 minutes away from where I work - but living alone would be just awful. So I'm now paying 11% of my income for r…

This seems like a huge cultural difference from the west. I personally can't imagine having lived with my parents into my 20s. The people I know who did are mostly far more dependent. I think this has a lot to do with our focus on individuality. I don't think I would have developed into the person I am today without having dealt with the hardships of making my own way in life as an independent person. I can absolutely see the financial and emotional benefits, but I would feel constantly stifled and unable to be my own person with that level of family intrusion in my life.

Re: Percentage of Young Americans Living with Parents Rises to 75-Year High

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23 year old Indian developer here. The concept of 'moving out' of your parents home is baffling for most of us. I now live in a different city and I share a decent apartment with friends. I can afford to live alone in the apartment I now live in - the rent is 30% of my monthly income and the apartment is 15 minutes away from where I work - but living alone would be just awful. So I'm now paying 11% of my income for r…

It's unreal how greatly the human experience can vary - I was born in the uk to itinerant parents (finance father), raised by a series of aupairs, and was sent to boarding school at six. Despite my parents being wealthy and having the space, I did not have a room at home from that point - when I went home for holidays, I would stay in the guest room, and when my brother was born, his room. When I "left home" at 16 up…

This comment makes me sad.

Children should be loved and cherished, not abandoned.

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