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Re: Microsoft: more people are switching from Macs to Surface than ever before

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I'd say that macOS tends to be more stable, and The office suite has an actual price instead of a shitty subscription model.

Does it have a price? The last time I checked it was free. OTOH, I don't see many professionals trusting Apple software in the long run (ex. Final Cut).

It's only free to the original buyer of a new Mac since something like 4 - 5 years ago. If you've never bought a new Mac and registered it with your Apple ID, it's not free.

I always thought it was free too, but learned otherwise recently from a colleague battling with it.

Re: Microsoft: more people are switching from Macs to Surface than ever before

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I'm one of the people that switched from a MacBook Pro to the new Surface Book. The ENTIRE experience was dreadful for me. The day I went into the Microsoft store to purchase it (Black Friday), their credit card system was down, so I had to wait around for nearly 2 hours until they finally figured things out. That wouldn't typically upset me, but my brother-in-law went through something similar just 2 weeks prior. As…

Trackpads are one of the main things that other companies just can't get right, even on premium devices. Given how long ago Apple 'solved' trackpads, I'm amazed that the rest of the industry hasn't caught up.

Mainly, from what I can gather, because laptop makers (or trackpad makers) still haven't got their act together about including "precision touchpads". That was meant to sort out the touchpad issues a few years ago!

Mostly they seem not to bother fitting the newer type.

Re: Microsoft: more people are switching from Macs to Surface than ever before

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Trackpads are one of the main things that other companies just can't get right, even on premium devices. Given how long ago Apple 'solved' trackpads, I'm amazed that the rest of the industry hasn't caught up.

I believe that Apple has patented a lot of what makes their touchpads so great, which makes it difficult for competitors to make an equivalent.

I don't think that's the reason why. Track pads are just another part of Apple's obsession with UX. They invest millions (literally) into track pad placement, feel, and ability knowing that users care about it and they'll make it up with volume. It's hard to justify UX spend.

Re: Microsoft: more people are switching from Macs to Surface than ever before

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Two days ago, immediately after several programs crashed and shortly before the entire OS locked up, I managed to capture this: http://i.imgur.com/ecCPlcs.png That is Crash Reporter crashing. The following is the last screenshot I was able to take before the system stopped being able to write files: http://i.imgur.com/IK7j98P.png Sierra has been an absolute nightmare in every respect that I have been forced to reboot…

Have you ever considered the possibility that your storage medium or random access memory is corrupt?

Yeah, pretty much this. If you get macOS to pop out an error that it can't find Finder (especially on 10.11>, which has SIP), you dun pretty goofed. macOS (especially with SIP) is by far the most stable of the big three OSes. Windows its shortcomings are known, but as far as Linux goes (numbering is only for clarity):

1. No default power management. Why isn't TLP installed and activated by default on systems that are known to work with it? Macbooks get 12-13h on macOS vs 5h on Linux. The XPS13 gets 22h on Windows vs 11h(!) on Linux. Ubuntu 16.04 on my MBP 13" 2015 gets 7h with TLP and Powertop configured, so even with those tools there's still a very large discrepancy.

2. Package hell. Yes, shared libraries have advantages. No, they don't outweigh the benefits of containerizing. By now (with 'Snappy Packages' and 'Flatpak' getting bigger) its finally getting fixed, but still.

3. There is no unified repo, and no unified package manager. There's Pacman, RPM, apt, etc. etc. and if you switch distro's you have to re-learn. Now I understand that this is due to each distro being like a micro-country, but imagine this: 3x3 unified repos (free, non-free and community) each with 3 levels (bleeding edge, testing, stable). All distros could(would) tap into these repos, so you combine the efforts of every distro its maintainers. Same for the package manager development. For distro-specific stuff the distros could just use a separate repo

4. UI. There's 2 different UI toolkits (QT and GTK) that both are configured differently, behave slightly differently and thus something (usually the QT apps since GTK is used more often) feels 'off'. This split also gives issues with scaling sometimes. macOS does this perfectly with pretty much everything using Cocoa and having all options on the menubar. Saving is always under 'file', and 'file' is always in the same location. Same for 'Edit', 'View', etc. So far only Ubuntu replicates this, and they do it for a good reason.

And those are only a few of my pet peeves. Here's a full list by someone that has much better knowledge of Linux than me. Quite staggering really.[0]

[0]https://itvision.altervista.org/why.linux.is.not.ready.for.t...

Re: Microsoft: more people are switching from Macs to Surface than ever before

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I can't believe anyone using macOS for their professional workflow would consider switching to Windows 10 despite all the criticism leveled at Apple's hardware (most of which I think is totally justified). I use Windows professionally (for .NET development) and I think Windows 10 is still light-years behind, with an unstable, jarring OS experience full of bugs and niggles and unloved and underdeveloped touch interfac…

Win10 is pretty stable, what issues are you referring to?

I've had various issues on two separate clean installs of Windows 10 in the last two weeks, one of which was the start menu being broken, and the user profile being damaged to the point where I had to do a full reinstall. Official App Store apps don't install for various reasons (Onedrive) or become damaged etc.

I guess this may be a case of 'grass being greener' as suggested by someone else in this thread. I just don't seem to remember having any of these issues on my 2010 Macbook Pro running El Capitan. Then again, this is purely anecdotal.

Re: Microsoft: more people are switching from Macs to Surface than ever before

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I'm curious as to why you don't just have a desktop for home office. I wouldn't be able to use the 11" chromebook, especially coming from a 17" screen.

A desktop would be very uncomfortable to use from the couch, or my bed, or my living room table, or kitchen table, or any of the many other places in the house I enjoy being able to sit down when I fel like it... It's about being "luggable". I might very well look for an 18" or bigger next time. Regarding the 11" I sort of agree - it's for note taking in meetings and the occasional use on trains etc., not for anythin…

That makes sense. When you're moving around the house when working then a laptop is a necessity.

Re: Microsoft: more people are switching from Macs to Surface than ever before

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This is definitely an example of YMMV, if someone claims that macOS is better than Windows because of a prettier UI and smoother font rendering, I simply laugh. For me it is more important to have a file manager that doesn't lock itself creating .DS_Store files in the middle of an I/O operation (ex. copying a folder from an external drive). To be fair, Windows has the same issue with Thumbs.db files, but I can't reme…

Windows hasn't used Thumbs.db files on most drives since it switched to a central cache in Vista.

It switched back in a later version

Re: Microsoft: more people are switching from Macs to Surface than ever before

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I decided to get a Surface Pro 4 instead of upgrading my Macbook Air for my casual/portable computing device as I thought the combined Keyboard/Tablet mode would be more useful than an Air. My initial impressions after the first few days use:

- The Surface tablet Hardware has a nice build quality, but the Touch Pen doesn't register touches when it touches the screen you need to press down a little (unlike Apple's pencil). The Type Cover keyboard is wobbly when it's folded up so when I'm at a desk/flat surface I leave it completely flat as it's more sturdy. The touchpad is really small but I find myself using the touchscreen more so I don't notice it much. Otherwise the Type cover is usable, not as productive as a laptop keyboard, but more productive than a virtual keyboard.

- It's pretty fast, especially for its small profile

- The display is gorgeous, screen's a little small but it makes the device ultra portable.

- User Account management is atrocious, I bought the Surface Pro as secondary ultra portable for my Wife and so creating a new User Account is one of the first things I tried to do but couldn't at all, it kept failing with the useless generic "Something went wrong" dialog. You're meant to sign in with your Hotmail and I couldn't add another Local or Internet account for my wife for over 36 hours! it kept failing with "Something went wrong". I really hate needing to use an Internet account or requiring an Internet connection to create User Accounts, I'd prefer to completely disable any notion of Internet/hotmail accounts for Windows 10, it "just works" in Chrome OS but is highly infuriating and unstable in Windows 10. It still didn't let me add any Users after a complete reset, I had to wait 36 hours for that luxury.

- They have this "Hello" face recognition where it's able to log you in without entering a password which was a nice surprise and works pretty well.

- You now get annoying ads on your Lock Screen

- You also get nagged trying to keep you using Edge when trying to switch default browser to Chrome

- The AppStore is also unreliable, I couldn't install 2/4 Apps on the App Store Home Page (Halo and Planner 5D). Just failed with "Error, see details" with details being an empty dialog saying "Something went wrong". The Netflix App stopped loading after a 2nd restart (just an empty black screen) even after completely killing/restarting the App multiple times, only a full OS restart could get it working again. This experience falls way short of any of Apple's App Stores which "just work".

- Win 10 Apps aren't that great, the Facebook App is fairly polished but lacks feature parity with Website, Twitter's App is worse than its website, Netflix is the only Win 10 App I'm using over their website

- Win 10 isn't a great OS for touch, the icons are too small, took me a few goes trying to open a folder in VS which VS thought I wanted to move the folder, so you'll try using the touchscreen first than if it fails fallback to using the small touchpad.

- Within 3 hours of a new install I got by first BSOD, I installed VS 2017 beta with Docker + Hyper V. Docker for Windows refused to install the first time and crashes on Startup, I also couldn't run an empty .NET Core + Docker template, hand a number of build errors saying it couldn't find "System" namespace. The empty .NET Core Web App worked. In the end I uninstalled VS2017 beta, I'll try again in the next release.

These software issues happened after installing all Window updates. It was surprisingly buggy, I'd expect a hardware/software controlled device to be rock solid but the Surface was the most unreliable computing device I've owned.

In summary the Surface Pro4 tablet hardware is nice, quite thin for being able to run full Windows but also gets noticeably hot after a while (unlike iPad), has great display, Touch Pen isn't as solid as an Apple Pencil also its unproductive switching between Finger Touch and Touch Pen but the finger registration is good so I'm only using the Touch Pen for drawing apps.

Overall it's not as productive as a Macbook or as useful as a tablet than an iPad, so definitely not a Macbook or iPad killer, but has a useful niche as a secondary portable Windows 10 device. It's software unreliability issues and stupid User account management means I could never recommend it as on option to my parents who love and spend most of their time on their iPads and use iMac + Chrome OS for more heavy duty tasks - which are automatically backed up and have both been virus free for years which we're both happy about.

Re: Microsoft: more people are switching from Macs to Surface than ever before

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Just to chime in. Since the displeased are always loud. I got my maxed out TouchBar MBP 15" about two weeks ago and I'm really happy with it. It replaces a Mid-2010 MBP 17". It's light, fast and has a gorgeous screen. After a week, I even prefer the new thin keyboard versus the old. My external keyboard feels like trudging through mud. No trouble hitting the ESC-key on the touch bar. The context awareness of it is ac…

I'm glad you're having a good experience with the new MBP.

However, I wouldn't plug a $.70 adapter into a $3000 computer. Maybe you should splurge and spend $10 on the Apple adapter.

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