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Sweden proposes ban on ride-sharing services that make profits

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Re: Sweden proposes ban on ride-sharing services that make profits

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"1) Cheating on taxes is quite literally stealing from every other person in the country. That being said I think there is a lot of small scale cheating going, especially for small cash-driven businesses." I disagree. One monkey says to a group of other monkeys, "we all need to take one of the 5 bananas we individually have and place it into a central banana disbursement fund". Then, another monkey from the group ref…

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Re: Sweden proposes ban on ride-sharing services that make profits

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My take on the whole Uber vs Taxis thing is much more about just convenience and user experience. If the taxis got together and created an app that you could hail a taxi, track its progress, and follow it to your destination, and take the payment automatically, there would have been no (or far less) need of Uber. I have had several experiences where I called for a taxi, but none arrived. Then I went to the main road…

The most amazing ride service exists in Thailand. All throughout the cities are modified Izuzu trucks with a signature red color (there are other colors for going outside the city) where the truck bed has a covered canopy with two benches (parallel to the direction of travel). To use the service you walk to the road, raise your arm and any available passing red truck will stop and ask you where you're going and then they take you there. The fee you pay is dependent on the distance but generally starts at 20 Bath per person (in the city I live). For context, that's the cost of an ice cream at the park, or water bottle at 7/11.

In comparison, Uber recently came to this city and it's very poor. It's more expensive than a red truck and the only possible extra convenience it could provide is a pick up from your door, but most red truck drivers would arrange that with you too. The Uber drivers here also seem not to have had any training.. I gave up trying to use it when the driver asked me to walk a few hundred meters instead of picking me up where I was on the GPS.. that's not the point! I'm glad to continue using red trucks

Re: Sweden proposes ban on ride-sharing services that make profits

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Regular, real/official, taxi's are easily recognisable by their number plate which is orange with black letters whereas regular vehicles are white with black letters. You don't have to use fake taxi's, that's your choice. A regular taxi ride in Stockholm and a Uber ride (depending on the time of day) usually don't have a big price difference between them. Unless you want to take one of the Tesla taxi's.

How is a tourist supposed to know this and avoid getting ripped off? My brother lives there and explained to me how they can be identified, I otherwise would not have known.

> How is a tourist supposed to know this and avoid getting ripped off?

Checking a travel guide before they visit a new country?

Re: Sweden proposes ban on ride-sharing services that make profits

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Or just set up a taxi next to it for 2.5x the price? Or maybe force taxis at airports onto a centralised exchange with a big electronic comparison billboard that everyone can see? I get that something is preventing that, otherwise we wouldn't be having this conversation. But what is? Can we fix that instead and make the market more accessible? If not, then regulate away, of course.

Or just set up a taxi next to it for 2.5x the price? There's almost certainly a taxi next to it that only charges X, and all taxis are required to clearly post their prices in their windows. The taxi charging 3X is simply banking on the fact the enough people are operating with incomplete information and will just hop into the first taxi they see without fully understanding how the system works.

Or they just don't care, because their company is reimbursing it to them anyway.

Re: Sweden proposes ban on ride-sharing services that make profits

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You are contradicting yourself and honestly I don't see the point of correcting these falsehoods but I will note that Sweden and other Scandinavian countries are doing pretty damn well internationally considering how small the populations are [1][2][3]. [1] http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/mediatechnol... [2] http://smashdig.com/artikel/10-most-successful-swedish-start... [3] https://sweden.se/business…

I'm not remotely contradicting myself. Also - your 'references' are standard 'glam posts' by media outlets, they are pop culture references, not serious measures of the success of businesses. Those types of articles and the common 'country rankings' are surprisingly not particularly relevant - the later, almost always depend on the criteria chosen. For example - if you have as your 'startup criteria': A) The prevalen…

> + Language and culture are barriers. Swedes have access to EU talent, but how many will move? Low rates of mobility in Europe. In America, people move 1000Km for a job, less so in Europe.

I completely disagree with this statement and I'll have to call your sources for it. Even more here in Stockholm, but mobility around Europe for tech jobs is huge, I work at Klarna with 45 different nationalities. Same thing happens at Spotify where I have friends working in.

Hell, even in a small startup and a small to medium-sized company where I know people working at they have people from 10 different countries in Europe, even from richer countries such as Germany, England and Switzerland.

I have friends working in Dublin, London, Berlin, Frankfurt, Zurich and all of them working with different nationalities all the time.

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That other monkey is free to leave and go far away, and not reap the benefits afforded to the group of monkeys when they pool their assets.

I 100000% agree! The only issue is that on this Earth, far away = Antarctica, Bouvet Island, a barge in the ocean.... Surely there needs to be some middle ground where I can live in a relatively hospitable place without having to worry about being placed under surveillance and being forced to pay large income and property taxes ;)

Maybe, just maybe, if there is literally nowhere on the earth that you can go to find your ideal society, that your ideal society can't exist? There are hundreds of countries and 7 billion people. If none of them have the system you want, that might suggest it isn't workable in practice.

Re: Sweden proposes ban on ride-sharing services that make profits

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The key word in this title is "proposes". That's a strong signal that the article is political fluff.

Sure enough, read the text for actual information and you'll see that it's reporting on a press conference about a commission that issued a report. This, through the magic of journalism, turns into "Sweden".

Re: Sweden proposes ban on ride-sharing services that make profits

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Or just set up a taxi next to it for 2.5x the price? Or maybe force taxis at airports onto a centralised exchange with a big electronic comparison billboard that everyone can see? I get that something is preventing that, otherwise we wouldn't be having this conversation. But what is? Can we fix that instead and make the market more accessible? If not, then regulate away, of course.

Or just set up a taxi next to it for 2.5x the price? There's almost certainly a taxi next to it that only charges X, and all taxis are required to clearly post their prices in their windows. The taxi charging 3X is simply banking on the fact the enough people are operating with incomplete information and will just hop into the first taxi they see without fully understanding how the system works.

In the UK, taxi rates are regionally regulated, with local councils dictating the maximum fare (per mile, per minute waiting in traffic, etc). I thought this was fairly common (in first-world countries).

As a tourist flying into Sweden, it wouldn't have occurred to me that the fare would be unregulated, and that I would need to exercise caution when choosing a licenced taxi.

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My (half) brother is Danish. The 'anti tax' statement is his, told to me, while I was in Denmark. The Danish tax authorities have to know specific things about your status - including if you carpool to work or not, in order to establish your tax status. They tax in a different way there - they establish your 'effective rate', rather than doing tons of deductions. Whether or not you carpool for example, affects your r…

> The 'anti business' attitude in Scandinavian countries is (or was) palpable, esp. among anyone over say 45. It's a much more difficult thing to illustrate, but go ahead and talk to an older Swede. You'll see what I mean. I'm Swedish, my Aunt is a hardcore "thought the USSR was great"-Vänsterpartiet-leftist, but even she does some work as self-employed entrepreneur and when I came of age and started doing contract w…

Comments about aunts and uncles, the more eccentric the better, do wonders for off-topic HN subthreads.

Re: Sweden proposes ban on ride-sharing services that make profits

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Everybody is a neoliberal until they have to pay for their own hospital bill.

I am an American and I pay for all of my medical care privately, without insurance :)

Man, I don't often wish life threatening or chronic diseases which cost hundreds of thousands of dollars to treat on anyone. But I would pay to see the moment your smug tone changes to one of despair.
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