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This topic has been discussed on The Changelog recently: https://changelog.com/podcast/223 If I recall correctly, opt-out was chosen because they really want/need some analytics data and most of the users would not opt-in.
What would they need it for?
This topic has been discussed on The Changelog recently: https://changelog.com/podcast/223 If I recall correctly, opt-out was chosen because they really want/need some analytics data and most of the users would not opt-in.
“they really want/need some analytics data” Why? For what?
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The US approach to privacy is "let the market sort it out". It has sorted it out by transforming the internet into a giant spying machine sucking up contacts, photos, documents, videos, metadata, what packages you use, when where and how you exercise, everything The EU approach to privacy (eroded by lobbying and lack of control over US companies) is that citizens have a right over their information. They can ask what…
> The EU approach to privacy (eroded by lobyying and lack of control over US companies) is that citizens have a right over their information. They can ask what personal information a company has on them, ask that it be corrected or deleted. This has resulted in companies that are more careful with data. More like, this has resulted in things like nonsensical "Cookie warnings" that only waste the user's time.
Of course, websites that don't track their users are exempt: http://ec.europa.eu/ipg/basics/legal/cookies/index_en.htm
I guess the EU didn't expect websites to cling to tracking cookies like their lives depended on them.
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Do you use brew? Have you contributed code to it? Have you installed something using brew, before updating brew for a while? For me, my answers are yes no yes. A while ago, you did that, and you get an old version of the thing you just installed. With analytics, they saw that many people forget to update before installing after a while, so they added an update step in that case. I call that progress, no matter how sm…
Why do they need to use Google Analytics and hand information over to a third party instead of using something hosted? I get that there may be money involved, but presumably self-hosting also gives them more of the information to build out what they need.
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The US approach to privacy is "let the market sort it out". It has sorted it out by transforming the internet into a giant spying machine sucking up contacts, photos, documents, videos, metadata, what packages you use, when where and how you exercise, everything The EU approach to privacy (eroded by lobbying and lack of control over US companies) is that citizens have a right over their information. They can ask what…
> The EU approach to privacy (eroded by lobyying and lack of control over US companies) is that citizens have a right over their information. They can ask what personal information a company has on them, ask that it be corrected or deleted. This has resulted in companies that are more careful with data. More like, this has resulted in things like nonsensical "Cookie warnings" that only waste the user's time.
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>Data is being sent to Google everytime you do almost anything in almost all websites, using the same technology. So what? This still doesn't mean we should just shut up and take it for desktop software. What anyone does on its OS shouldn't leave the LAN - same critique stands for recent MS endeavour with Windows 10.
I definitely don't mean that we should shut up and take it. But before we complain about an open source project that maaaaany devs use happily, let's complain about those other cases first, yea?
This is a classical attempt to muddy the waters.
"Your privacy has been trampled by pretty much everyone, why not accept one more? They're cute cuddly and open source, how could you refuse them access to your machine?" This is essentially your pathetic argument. You should be ashamed of yourself, because you know that defaults matter, people don't read a small line of warning text in the console and this is ultimately yet another stab in the back. Chad and Brad mer…
I'm not giving a free pass simply because it's open source. Rather it's an informed decision that I'm able to make because they're completely transparent about what limited metrics they aggregate.
Personally, I'm in broadly favour of them collecting basic metrics, their motivations for doing so, and the approach they've taken.
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Do you use brew? Have you contributed code to it? Have you installed something using brew, before updating brew for a while? For me, my answers are yes no yes. A while ago, you did that, and you get an old version of the thing you just installed. With analytics, they saw that many people forget to update before installing after a while, so they added an update step in that case. I call that progress, no matter how sm…
Why do they need to use Google Analytics and hand information over to a third party instead of using something hosted? I get that there may be money involved, but presumably self-hosting also gives them more of the information to build out what they need.
> (...)and have been trying to find people who will provide us with non-Google hosting but: we're chronically understaffed and underfunded[1]