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Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team

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Post by Retric »

Sniffnoy wrote: post #112
Frondo wrote: post #56

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Tolerance means you aren't jailing people with different views than your own. Tolerance means you aren't out beating people up for having different views. Tolerance isn't about putting on a happy face and doing business with someone whose views you find odious. If people are no longer free to use words or social stigma to advance their views and opinion, because "tolerance," then what do we have left?

Why the implicit equation of "words" with "shouting at people that they're bad"? (Or at least, that's how I'm reading your comment based on the context.) The alternative is actual argument rather than punishment, something overgard in no way ruled out. ...which unfortunately may not be a great tool given the current situation. I think we are at the point where playing nice may no longer be a serious option. But that…

Letting people get away with harmful practices is a bad idea. Extending that from theft to politics is a very reasonable thing to do.

People prentend that politics is a purely abstract thing, but consider. Bush is directly responsible for well over 500,000 deaths. The blood of his victims is directly on the hands of everyone that voted for the idiot. Trump might not be as bad or he might start WWIII.

Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team

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Post by ForrestN »

maxerickson wrote: post #158
ForrestN wrote: post #94

Is there a kind of "political correctness" that refuses the acknowledgment of facts and likelihoods that sound similar to irrational dismissal? Does that kind prevent people from hearing the following things which I think most people would agree to be true? -Donald Trump says he wants to completely deregulate the banking industry, which will most likely, in the long term, lead to a crisis on par with or greater than…

-Donald Trump has appointed a "climate skeptic," which means, "dangersous liar," to head the Environmental Protection Agency. He has already sent out many other signals that he intends to cease any US efforts to combat Global Warming, which will have the effect of destabilizing the various international agreements that might have ameliorated its effects. It currently seems likely that Trump will single-handedly preve…

You're right, I mispoke. He was appointed to head the EPA Transition, which is different. Edited now.

And I agree, it's not just Trump. It is his administration and his party. All the more reason why YC must repudiate Thiel.

Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team

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Post by rayiner »

ubernostrum wrote: post #139
rayiner wrote: post #117

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He could have voted for a war (that more than a fifth of the Senate opposed) that cost trillions of dollars and cost hundreds of thousands of lives.

But... that would mean you'd disassociate from Hillary Clinton. Over political views . Gasp! Shock! Clutch my pearls and fetch the smelling salts! How dare you be so intolerant as to suggest someone should be ostracized over mere expression of a political opinion!

When the U.S. went to Iraq, I had a political opinion. HRC had a choice.

Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team

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Post by scrollaway »

234dd57d2c8db wrote: post #140
scrollaway wrote: post #102

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> In the event that he really does turn into Hitler, I promise to stand up to stop him along with all the other people who will. Well, that's nice - although you just agreed to something you believe won't happen. I don't believe he will, either; but are you standing up to what his electorate is doing? http://nymag.com/thecut/2016/11/trump-voters-threatened-wome... Take it from someone who saw what Brexit did to the U…

Oh yes, because surely it's only those evil Trump supporters who are the bad guys! As you can see here a wild pack of trump supports are attacking a poor old hillary supporter: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnQNFBHHs6w Oh wait no, sorry, that's a group of leftists literally beating up an old man 10v1 because he's white and might have voted for Trump. Sorry, you were saying something about people not fearing repercu…

I don't even see what your post is trying to say. The only charitable explanation I can come up with is you're trying to reinforce my point that those in the majority feel like they can be assholes without repercussions.

Take a long, hard look at both my post and yours and ask yourself what point you're attempting to make (and if you somehow don't come up empty, please share it with the rest of the class - I'd love to know at least).

Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team

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Post by Lagged2Death »

RealGeek wrote: post #70
meritt wrote: post #21

This was obvious from the RNC speech and further reinforced when Thiel donated $1M to Trump. A contrarian bet, sure, but $1M is a pretty small price to pay to have a 50/50 shot at CTO of the USA. I'm sure he'll see a very significant ROI on his $1M once the government starts awarding contracts very conveniently to companies of which he owns a portion. I had very negative feelings about Thiel, and those were magnified…

> I'm sure he'll see a very significant ROI on his $1M once the government starts awarding contracts very conveniently to companies of which he owns a portion. Wasn't Trump rallying against such crony corruption aka 'pay for play'?

Wasn't Trump rallying against such crony corruption aka 'pay for play'?

He straight bragged about participating in such schemes from the other side.

Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team

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Post by ubernostrum »

rayiner wrote: post #165
ubernostrum wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But... that would mean you'd disassociate from Hillary Clinton. Over political views . Gasp! Shock! Clutch my pearls and fetch the smelling salts! How dare you be so intolerant as to suggest someone should be ostracized over mere expression of a political opinion!

When the U.S. went to Iraq, I had a political opinion. HRC had a choice.

Here's a hint: this is exactly how many people feel about Thiel, Trump, and what's expected from the Trump administration.

Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team

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Post by generic_user »

ikeboy wrote: post #31
_pius wrote: post #9

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Great moral courage there. YC has a choice: do what IBM did in the 1930's or not. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_and_the_Holocaust And before you say I'm "going Godwin," remember: It was Sam and Paul who've said they think Trump is a threat of similar proportions. If Sam really thinks that, the moral thing to do is cut ties. And yes, it'll be hard. Would have been easier to do before the election. It will only get…

Wouldn't the point where it becomes morally obligatory to do that be once Trump actually starts doing things that are comparable? Right now we don't really know which of his promises he plans on actually keeping.

Yes,

When Trump suspends the constitution and starts a continental war with Mexico and Canada. And sends Six million Jews including his own daughter to be exterminated in gas chambers then we can compare him to Hitler.

Until such events unfold (I'm not holding my breath) entertaining people who make these ridiculous arguments is like a slow, self inflicted lobotomy.

Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team

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Post by [deleted] »

jerf wrote: post #49
_pius wrote: post #9

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Great moral courage there. YC has a choice: do what IBM did in the 1930's or not. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_and_the_Holocaust And before you say I'm "going Godwin," remember: It was Sam and Paul who've said they think Trump is a threat of similar proportions. If Sam really thinks that, the moral thing to do is cut ties. And yes, it'll be hard. Would have been easier to do before the election. It will only get…

Yes, you went Godwin. Trump isn't Hitler. That's election propaganda, not truth. Election's over. Time to put the election propaganda away. Now, you might still not like him. Heck, let me take a bold step and say you won't like him. He will do things you won't like. Welcome to the real world. My government's been doing things I don't like my entire life. (Along with all the things I do like.) But I rate the odds that…

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