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HN comments are underrated

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Re: HN comments are underrated

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If this were true, it would merit study. How can a forum that is open to all and used in mostly anonymous fashion, so effectively police the race of users? And how could other less open less anonymous activities hope to succeed in diversity?

With regards to the gender aspect, see any of the threads related to 'women in computing' and the horrible posts therein.

Only if you assume women cannot be successful in technology without needing a special interest group mooching off the entire enterprise.

It's a vicious cycle based on a kafkatrap. If you don't agree that women are discriminated against in tech, you're discriminating against women. Culture committees, diversity consultants and women-only groups are set up to "address" this problem, yet all they do is create more division and alienation, holding up the most stereotypical fragile princess as representative for every woman on the planet.

They keep throwing all sorts of accusations and aspersions on every single guy in the field, shriek and pearl clutch when they receive blowback, and have the gall to call this empathy, in a field where the average worker is an undersocialized and overworked code janitor. Whose preferred communication styles, hobbies and accomplishments are fair game to ignore or bulldoze over.

Pointing this out gets you labeled as "horrible". Fine, then. Yet another word to add to the pile that has lost all meaning. Misogyny used to mean "hatred of women", now it just means "something a woman hates". Which appears to include the average mid-rung nerd.

Re: HN comments are underrated

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I follow many people on twitter who dislike HN. Reason for this is opinions here are alsmost entirely from white males with money.

I don't understand what's dislikeable about opinions from people who are white with money.

Nothing, but it certainly limits perspectives.

Re: HN comments are underrated

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I follow many people on twitter who dislike HN. Reason for this is opinions here are alsmost entirely from white males with money.

If this were true, it would merit study. How can a forum that is open to all and used in mostly anonymous fashion, so effectively police the race of users? And how could other less open less anonymous activities hope to succeed in diversity?

This is certainly true. The "race of users" isn't being "police[d]". It is just a reflection of the subject matter of HN and a reflection of the tech field in general.

Re: HN comments are underrated

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I didn't argue that Wikipedia always was correct (no source is that, I'd guess), just that it smelled really bad to dismiss it with just hand waving . It do have sources and have been whetted (for reasonably popular subjects.)

Wasn't trying to imply you meant that. It's more that I could see where someone like that could come from, dismissing the Wikipedia article out of habit, especially if they've been involved with the project. Not backing it up with additional sources is of course bad form, but finding and linking extra sources is additional work. Minor nitpick, vetting is someone checking something and approving it, whereas whetting i…

OK, you more or less agree with my argument. Enough about that, then.

I am curious about something else.

Do you have non anecdotal information about Wikipedia's general dependability?

How is the dependability for large subjects? For subjects like a poet where less than a hundred people even recognize the name?

(The last I saw on this was years ago, when Wikipedia edged out the Encyclopædia Britannica. It would be strange to be less dependable now?!)

Re: HN comments are underrated

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How about just reading and evaluating what the damn words say instead of relying on a "score"?

Because there are a lot of topics, even in my professional field, where I don't have the necessary foundation. Because sometimes a comment reaffirms or conflicts with my evaluation and it's useful to have a weight assigned to that. Because the world has enough people who make their own evaluation and refuse to change their opinion regardless of overwhelming evidence.

But points don't equal expertise.

You can be an ignoramus in an echo chamber, or be the world expert who doesn't come here too often

Re: HN comments are underrated

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It's not complicated, just hard to digest. Anti-white racism. It's identical to the antisemitism of the far right in the 30s and 40s, except it is with whites.

Yes, those poor persecuted "whites". With the minorities running the U.S. now, it's very dangerous for us. I narrowly avoided being sent to one of the "whites" concentration camps myself.

Re: HN comments are underrated

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Reddit and HN make an interesting comparison. Reddit's highs are really high, far higher than HN's, often skirting the level of "so good as to be newsworthy". But Reddit's lows --- and I don't mean trolling and harassment, I mean the lower bounds of normal conversation there --- are much lower. I think the median HN comment is better, by a lot, than the median Reddit comment. I think you can extend the same judgement…

I find it hard to agree with you, but I don't go on reddit much. Can you supply a few reddit threads you feel are exceptionally high caliber? I mostly consume /r/askscience and /r/askhistorians. One of the problems I have with reddit (and this might come from not working hard enough at it) is not knowing how to find active, high quality, specialty subreddits.

You want to find the niche expert subreddits. The ones you named are good. So is /r/badhistory, /r/badeconomics [1] which are generally hangouts of experts to make fun of people claiming things. /r/netsec is generally good, so is /r/machinelearning. Even niche job-specific subreddits (like meddit or /r/protectandserve) are interesting to observe.

Because economics gets politicized so much, it's very rare to find sound discussion in popular forums. It's a ton of people cheering for their "team's" policies.

[1] Full disclosure: I'm recently been made a mod there. /r/badeconomics is probably the highest signal/noise economics place on the internet at the moment though. I learned more there than in school in the years I've spent there.

Re: HN comments are underrated

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I do feel React developers are like hardcore apple fan boy. The can't accept people criticism openly.

I've been using React as my primary platform for 3 years now and I'd be interested in novel React criticism.

I believe the most important thing when developing software is managing state. The best cross-language technique I know for reducing state is to prefer functional approaches, lock down mutability wherever possible, and prefer persistent datastructures. These techniques cause problems for truly high performance code (HAMT-like datastructures have pointer contention at the head) but very little of the code I write is that performance sensitive.

From the UI side, I believe the reactive programming model has won out and I'm unaware of any medium to large javascript frameworks that don't have some sort of change detection/propagation system. Polymer is the most dom manipulation oriented current gen framework I know about and it still makes substantial use of observables and bound properties.

Put together, I currently believe that the virtual dom diffing approach on persistent datastructures is the best general purpose starting point for building a user interface. The biggest arguments against the approach I've heard are that it's memory inefficient since the entire output virtual DOM has to be retained for diffing and that the diffing process itself is less efficient than direct change propagation using observables. While both valid complaints, I have not found them useful complaints.

For memory, the target market for the apps I've written has yet to include mobile devices that are memory constrained to the point that virtual DOM size is a significant factor and if they did, I'd be inclined to try something like incremental dom before abandoning the pattern.

For performance, the combination persistent datastructures guiding the diff substantially reduces the amount of diffing overhead. I've been able to hit 60 fps on a randomly-update 10k DOM node stress test using Inferno and a custom HAMT implementation on a 2012 Macbook Air and ~25 fps on my 2nd generation Moto X. I consider this good enough but I can see how people who are more focused on mobile and in particular emerging mobile markets would have different opinions.

My counter to these arguments is that I find the performance characteristics of the virtual DOM easy to reason about and performance being primarily driven by the output size has allowed me to take input datasets that I would not have even considered on observable systems. An example: I put together a calendar that was supposed to be a temporary prototype, wound up getting put into production (semi-predictably), and we had the events input grow to 9MB of gzipped JSON (two orders of magnitude more than I expected) before it got replaced. Load time was terrible but once it was up, latency for all actions was ~30ms.

As for React itself, I find it acceptable. Its artificial event system made more sense when it was made but I think it's more overhead than value these days. I've never liked setState and never used it in a production app. The main reason to stick with it over a second-gen vdom library like Inferno is network effects. I tend to not use a lot of third party code so I expect to switch to an alternative vdom at some point in the not too distant future.

Re: HN comments are underrated

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Reddit is a swamp of filth wrt economics comments. Basically all the subreddits except /r/academiceconomics, /r/badeconomics, /r/econpapers are awful. I'm friends with the mods of /r/economics and they have a really hard time reigning in the masses of ideologues (on all sides) ruining what should remain pure economics discussions.

What's an example of a pure economics discussion?

https://www.reddit.com/r/badeconomics/comments/58tf3h/the_go...
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