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Why billions of dollars of goods are stuck at sea

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Re: Why billions of dollars of goods are stuck at sea

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FWIW the person you're replying to represents everything that is bad about HN. If you read his post history you'd be lead to believe he's an industry insider in: Shipping, Irrigation, Crypto Currencies, Genetics, Nano Technology, Manufacturing, Microkernels and a lot more if you keep going back. There was a time I believed his posts, until I read one of his mini-essays on a topic I happened to know about (cryptograph…

You'd also guess he was an expert on networking...

Re: Why billions of dollars of goods are stuck at sea

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FWIW the person you're replying to represents everything that is bad about HN. If you read his post history you'd be lead to believe he's an industry insider in: Shipping, Irrigation, Crypto Currencies, Genetics, Nano Technology, Manufacturing, Microkernels and a lot more if you keep going back. There was a time I believed his posts, until I read one of his mini-essays on a topic I happened to know about (cryptograph…

I think he's annoyed because I criticized the poor auditability of Bitcoin. Yes, you can tell if someone received Bitcoins at some address. What you can't tell is whether they still have exclusive control of them. If someone else has a copy of the private key, the coins can disappear at any time. This happens in practice all too often. (Yeah, multi-sig, etc.. Not that it helped Bitfinex.)

That wasn't what I was referring to, and although I hold very little interest in bitcoin, I do know enough that "[...] you can't count it without access to the keys that let you spend it." is fundamentally wrong. However, I'm glad you have since refined your stance to something more tenable, but anyway, let's not get too off topic.

As I know absolutely nothing about the shipping industry or Hanjin, what is your background or interest in it?

Re: Why billions of dollars of goods are stuck at sea

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I shipped my stuff from Beijing to LA a month and a half ago, without seeing it on this side yet (takes 1-2 months). Hoping it is not stuck on one of these boats!

Hrrm, best of luck with that. Are you finally bailing on China, Sean?

Bailed out awhile ago. Still waiting for my stuff though!

Re: Why billions of dollars of goods are stuck at sea

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hrrm, best of luck with that. Are you finally bailing on China, Sean?

Bailed out awhile ago. Still waiting for my stuff though!

Enjoy LA. I really miss LACMA!

Still enjoying peaceful Yunnan.

Re: Why billions of dollars of goods are stuck at sea

#165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wondered about that too. What if they all decided to simply abandon ship and head for land, leaving a ship to flounder and possibly become a hazard to other vessels or cause an environmental problem when it crashes into a reef or similar?

The officers, at the very least, would be criminally liable.

how can it be criminal when it's not you who instigated the issue in the first place? It should be criminal on the upper management imho.

Re: Why billions of dollars of goods are stuck at sea

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think he's annoyed because I criticized the poor auditability of Bitcoin. Yes, you can tell if someone received Bitcoins at some address. What you can't tell is whether they still have exclusive control of them. If someone else has a copy of the private key, the coins can disappear at any time. This happens in practice all too often. (Yeah, multi-sig, etc.. Not that it helped Bitfinex.)

That wasn't what I was referring to, and although I hold very little interest in bitcoin, I do know enough that "[...] you can't count it without access to the keys that let you spend it." is fundamentally wrong. However, I'm glad you have since refined your stance to something more tenable, but anyway, let's not get too off topic. As I know absolutely nothing about the shipping industry or Hanjin, what is your backg…

I appreciate your first comment calling out that people should check sources on their own and verify claims made in discussions. I do not feel that you and Animats are adding value by furthering the discussion here.

Re: Why billions of dollars of goods are stuck at sea

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The Hanjin California was seized and moored down the road from my house in Sydney. I was actually down at the water to see it before I knew about the parent firm's collapse. It's pretty interesting seeing such a big ship in what's otherwise (contemporarily) a small recreational/transport channel (Glebe Island, Sydney).

Re: Why billions of dollars of goods are stuck at sea

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post #77

We have overcapacity that could lead to the formation of cartels if profit margins remain small. We need more companies in this game, not less, but with overcapacity, who would like to join?

None, and preventing cartels is one of the clear cut examples of why we need a government. To uphold laws against such anti-competitive behavior.

Re: Why billions of dollars of goods are stuck at sea

#170
post #59

This is a mess because Hanjin's top management was in denial about the possibility of bankruptcy. Just like the typical startup. They've been trying for months to get a bailout deal from somebody, anybody - a merger, loans, their parent chaebol, their stockholders (Korean Air is the largest), or the S. Korean government. Everybody turned them down. There's too much container ship capacity right now; nobody needed Han…

> This is a mess because Hanjin's top management was in denial about the possibility of bankruptcy. Just like the typical startup. Just like pretty much anybody. Everyone keeps hoping against hope, everyone is afraid to show weakness, and nobody likes to tell the boss no. Typically the staff knows for months that the end is nigh until some minor event precipitates the final undeniable crisis. Megan McArdle has some i…

Tulip-bulb, gold rush, hockeystick optimism when reality moves more like bounded diff equ's with a carrying capacity or an impulsive arc overshooting sustainability, not Malthusian exponentials forever on magic rainbows.
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