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Thought this the other day, was watching that Hannibal TV series. Didn't see one nipple but a few people torn to pieces. Intestines hanging out and person cut into slices and displayed in glass are ok.
"The way to have a fully naked woman in a PG-13 movie is to fill her with bullet holes." I don't know who said it, if anyone, but it's true.
Facebook is imposing American censorship on the rest of the world
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Re: Facebook is imposing American censorship on the rest of the world
#162Earlier quoted context omitted.
> No middle school kid is going to get into an R rated movie if they are dropped off and not escorted by and adult. IME, insofar as that is enforced at multiplexes, its enforced mostly at ticket sales and at multiplex entrances, not entrances to individual screening rooms with the complex; tickets are usually not verified at entrances to individual screening rooms except for special circumstances, e.g., opening weeke…
I was replying to "We as a society... drop our middle-school kids off to see violent movies without even thinking twice." The average parent isn't going to fill their mini van with a bunch of 12 year olds and drop them off with the instructions to sneek into a film that they won't be otherwise allowed into. That hypothetical parent would be shamed on the evening news if caught. That's all I'm saying, not that it was…
But the R-rated comment was fairly irrelevant to that (or, rather, counterproductive, since it says more about sex than violence.) PG-13 movies aren't less violent than R-rated movies. [0]
> The idea that we "drop our middle-school kids off to see violent movies without even thinking twice" is a complete and total fiction.
Except that is completely true; heck, arguably "without even thinking once" is more accurate, since imagining that the lack of an R-rating means that a movie isn't violent isn't so much thinking as finding an excuse to avoid thought.
[0] https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/pg-13...
Re: Facebook is imposing American censorship on the rest of the world
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The theatrical dimension doesn't change much. That's how strange the US is in this respect. The amount of censorship for "real" violence is virtually nonexistent, contrary to the amount of censorship applied to sex, real or otherwise. Do Americans censor "real" violence more than theatrical violence? Possibly. Do they censor "real" violence less than any form of nudity? Yes. You can show Braveheart or a video of a st…
>And once again, this is not the norm around the world. The US is special. Really? Have you been to the Middle East, or is your definition of "the world" a handful of western European countries?
Re: Facebook is imposing American censorship on the rest of the world
#164I don't get why this is such an issue. I understand the sheer numbers of people that use fb and get their 'news' from it, but it amazes me that people are shocked that fb censors the content. Facebook never claimed to be a news organization nor part of the 5th estate (which, pretty much doesn't exist). So that being the case, I would never expect fb to be a partner for democracy. Just because some recent revolutions…
I think the issue raised here is that Facebook censors content according to rules based entirely on American values, while parading as some sort of global organization, "connecting the world" type-of-thing. What is morally acceptable to see on a feed for an American is not the same for a Norwegian, a Japanese or a Sudanese. The author mentions sexuality/nudity content here, which is a blatant cultural difference betw…
How would such a thing work? Would a user register as a resident of a particular country? Or, IP-based checks of location? I'm a Scot living in America, with Dutch friends - do I see the US, UK, or Euro content? Does the content I see (on the same feed) change based on which country I happen to be in today?
Re: Facebook is imposing American censorship on the rest of the world
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There's actually probably an interesting bigger point here. Why is this image the content that sparked so much outrage? As you point out, they ban a lot of things on behalf of other countries. There's been complaints of conservatives getting censored (who knows how accurate those are). And of course, the hot mic gaff of Zuckerberg talking with Angela Merkel about censoring migrant crisis criticism on Facebook. So is…
Well, it doesn't usually happen to prime ministers. And I'm not convinced that this outcry over the weekend is going to change anything.
Re: Facebook is imposing American censorship on the rest of the world
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>The idea that we "drop our middle-school kids off to see violent movies without even thinking twice" is a complete and total fiction. In it's precise form, maybe, but it's certainly not a fiction insofar as we very much tolerate children being exposed to violence. It might not be at the literal movie theater, but that's completely and utterly beside the point. The average parent has no qualms about showing violence…
Unless its changed drastically since I was a kid (which I admit was a very long time ago) the average parent does not expose their children to violence or violent imagery especially not in middle school. Where the hell do you live where that's the case?
The level of violence in PG-13 rated films has increased drastically since the rating was introduced, so, its quite likely that this has changed drastically since you were a kid if it was "a very long time ago".
Re: Facebook is imposing American censorship on the rest of the world
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Totally agree! I fail to understand why is this a 'problem'. FB can do as they please (fail or succeed as a consequence), they aren't a tax payer funded institution answerable to the public at large. In effect, people are dictating how FB should 'run their business'.
>I fail to understand why is this a 'problem'. FB can do as they please (fail or succeed as a consequence), they aren't a tax payer funded institution answerable to the public at large. In effect, people are dictating how FB should 'run their business'. Much like the Microsoft anti-trust suits of the early '00s? There was nothing then (just as there is now) that forced people to use Microsoft products; numerous OS an…
Which were equally bullshit.
Re: Facebook is imposing American censorship on the rest of the world
#168Earlier quoted context omitted.
>The idea that we "drop our middle-school kids off to see violent movies without even thinking twice" is a complete and total fiction. In it's precise form, maybe, but it's certainly not a fiction insofar as we very much tolerate children being exposed to violence. It might not be at the literal movie theater, but that's completely and utterly beside the point. The average parent has no qualms about showing violence…
Unless its changed drastically since I was a kid (which I admit was a very long time ago) the average parent does not expose their children to violence or violent imagery especially not in middle school. Where the hell do you live where that's the case?
I think I understand what you're objecting to, so let me try to tackle this from a different angle.
Consider how pissed your average neighbor would be if I showed Inception to one of their kids. Now imagine how pissed they would be if I showed them Eyes Wide Shut. Do you see it now?
Right or wrong, for better or worse, Americans are more enraged by things of sexual nature than violent nature. Ounce for ounce, violence is less shocking than sex and nudity. This is why the principle distinguishing factor between PG-13 and R ratings is sex and nudity, not violence!
Yes, obviously conscientious parents try to shield small children from violence, but here's the thing: I moved to France from Delaware and parents here don't give a flying fuck in a handbasket if their children see nudity. Actual sexual intercourse or lewdness is another issue, but newspaper kiosks show topless women in plain view and nobody cares. Statues have penises and nobody cares.
I don't think things have drastically changed since your childhood. Rather, I think this is a very difficult thing to see if you've grown up in the midst of it without spending significant time abroad (though maybe you have and we simply disagree?)
Re: Facebook is imposing American censorship on the rest of the world
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I'm an American, and as far as I can tell, beheadings are at least as controversial as nudity. I wouldn't put much stock in the LA Times either; lots of very biased reporting. EDIT: There seems to be some confusion as to whether we're talking about actual beheadings (e.g., ISIS videos) or theatrical violence. My previous statement pertains to the former context; I don't dispute that fictitious violence in America is…
>beheadings are at least as controversial as nudity From one internet stranger to another, and with all due respect: bullshit. We as a society positively freak out over nudity and drop our middle-school kids off to see violent movies without even thinking twice. To claim differently is to either a) appeal to an exception that does not represent the overall social norm b) be disingenuous (which I don't think is your c…
How many people do you know that actually do this? The parents I know that were okay with their kids seeing violent moves were equally okay with their kids seeing nudity.
Re: Facebook is imposing American censorship on the rest of the world
#170At least cat pictures aren't banned anywhere that I know of, so 99% of facebook content is safe ;)