Your Phone Has an FM Chip. So Why Can’t You Listen to the Radio? • Hacker News Board

Re: Your Phone Has an FM Chip. So Why Can’t You Listen to the Radio?

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Post by brigade » Tue, Jul 12, 2016, 10:35 AM UTC

frigo_1337 wrote: post #131

echelon wrote: post #114

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Imagine a world where all content is loaded over XHRs and the DOM serves only to load Javascript. This is becoming an increasingly prevalent pattern. I really miss the document-oriented web of the late 90's / early 00's.

Honest question: Why? I don't understand why people inherently dislike Javascript (aside from, y'know, creepy ad networks).

Reddit's mobile site takes 1-2 seconds to load comments through JavaScript, and heaven forbid you click a link; that destroys your scroll position. Disable JavaScript and comments load instantly and the back button actually works.

JavaScript seemingly is more often used to degrade basic site functionality, rather than enhance it.

Re: Your Phone Has an FM Chip. So Why Can’t You Listen to the Radio?

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Post by fwn » Tue, Jul 12, 2016, 10:43 AM UTC

kalleboo wrote: post #157

drdaeman wrote: post #118

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Here's the problem with this tax (or however it's called): you're basically paying for some third party actions that you have no control over. Someone emits some electromagnetic radiation that you may or may not care about, but for some odd reason you have to pay for that. That feels... wrong. Can't remember any other tax-like charges where one has to pay for something artificial that they could be completely unrelat…

If you remove the abstractions down to "someone emits some electromagnetic radiation" then yeah it makes no sense. Just like saying "someone out there is mixing hydrocarbons with rocks and dumping it on the ground that you may or may not care about". Most people would rather discuss it in terms of "funding an independent source of media" and "building road infrastructure to move goods and services".

Depending on a single revenue source is the exact opposite of being independent; which is why they are always that outraged if someone proposes some reduction in funding. They are 100% dependent on parliament will. (...whether this is something you want your media to be, I don't know. It's a very German thing.)

But of course it's not only financially. The German Rundfunkrat is basically designed to be the very essence of what other cultures might dispraise as corporatism. - Despite it's justification as some cross section of society.

I'm not necessarily against the idea but the institutional design of German state media is arguably very bad.

Re: Your Phone Has an FM Chip. So Why Can’t You Listen to the Radio?

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Post by unwind » Tue, Jul 12, 2016, 10:46 AM UTC

yyyuuu wrote: post #138

baq wrote: post #41

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'in India' is the key here. Market segmentation at its worst.

Sorry but I don't really get it ... what harm would enabling radio on a phone would do?

It's all over the article: it lessens the demand for streaming media over Internet, which of course means income for the telcos.

Re: Your Phone Has an FM Chip. So Why Can’t You Listen to the Radio?

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Post by TickleSteve » Tue, Jul 12, 2016, 10:49 AM UTC

laurent123456 wrote: post #81

I don't get it, why do manufacturers bother adding an FM chip if they never activate it?

support costs... which in this case is probably negligible but they will still get calls complaining that it doesn't work.

Re: Your Phone Has an FM Chip. So Why Can’t You Listen to the Radio?

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Post by thanatropism » Tue, Jul 12, 2016, 10:53 AM UTC

In Brazil many low-lower-end Android phones (from LG, for example, but I'm sure from other non-Apple brands too) have FM and even TV receivers.

The same phones support multiple SIM cards because cash-strapped folks on prepaid cards are aggressive optimisers.

Re: Your Phone Has an FM Chip. So Why Can’t You Listen to the Radio?

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Post by _pmf_ » Tue, Jul 12, 2016, 10:54 AM UTC

siddboots wrote: post #2

What's going on with Wired? This page has an autoplay video ad below the article text and an anti-AdBlock full-screen subscription nagger that pops up a few seconds after page load.

> What's going on with Wired? This page has an autoplay video ad below the article text and an anti-AdBlock full-screen subscription nagger that pops up a few seconds after page load.

"Revenue is falling; quick, what should we do?"

"Shut up and keep digging."

Re: Your Phone Has an FM Chip. So Why Can’t You Listen to the Radio?

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Post by petercooper » Tue, Jul 12, 2016, 10:54 AM UTC

Razengan wrote: post #83

Frondo wrote: post #40

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It's funny, I really like listening to a number of local stations for the variety of music I get introduced to; but somehow, the fact that there is a real person curating it makes me enjoy it. Listening to spotify, it doesn't do it for me. Something about having someone come on, make a little human conversation, that's part of the experience for me. Algorithms don't cut it.

Doesn't the Apple Music radio, Beats 1 or what was it, have human-curated streams too?

Yes, and full on shows. I've listened to Elton John's show a few times. Amazingly broad and eclectic music and more eye opening than I'd have expected - he seems to like a bit of everything.

Re: Your Phone Has an FM Chip. So Why Can’t You Listen to the Radio?

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Post by megalodon » Tue, Jul 12, 2016, 10:56 AM UTC

siddboots wrote: post #2

What's going on with Wired? This page has an autoplay video ad below the article text and an anti-AdBlock full-screen subscription nagger that pops up a few seconds after page load.

Thanks for the warning, will not visit Wired again. Auto-play video ads, anti-adblock screens and clickbaity, capitalized titles are all diseases of the "modern" web and should be dealt with accordingly.

Re: Your Phone Has an FM Chip. So Why Can’t You Listen to the Radio?

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Post by jsingleton » Tue, Jul 12, 2016, 11:00 AM UTC

alsetmusic wrote: post #53

Frondo wrote: post #40

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It's funny, I really like listening to a number of local stations for the variety of music I get introduced to; but somehow, the fact that there is a real person curating it makes me enjoy it. Listening to spotify, it doesn't do it for me. Something about having someone come on, make a little human conversation, that's part of the experience for me. Algorithms don't cut it.

It's strange to me to read a positive comment about terrestrial radio broadcast amid so many complaints about ad blocking on the web. I stopped listening to radio many years ago and now I have an irrational resentment when I hear car stereos blasting pointless, noisy ads at traffic stops. I always wonder what allows people to mentally tune them out rather than decreasing the volume until music resumes. This is in no…

I quite like radio paradise. Curated (not much talking though) and ad-free. Supported by listener payments.

They have a beta test for their new web player: https://www8.radioparadise.com

Re: Your Phone Has an FM Chip. So Why Can’t You Listen to the Radio?

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Post by hitr » Tue, Jul 12, 2016, 11:04 AM UTC

In India we have free streaming apps from the network provider like Airtel which allows downloads or offline playing of millions of songs without paying ,people really don't miss FM radio that much as it used to.