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Re: Reports of cancellation of AdSense accounts

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Post by ksk » Tue, Jul 05, 2016, 8:27 PM UTC

Sir_Substance wrote: post #155

ksk wrote: post #148

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>People used to do that for free because they cared about the content they were writing, rather than because it was making their daily bread. Those two points are not necessarily connected. People can and do, do a good job at things even if they're just doing it for the money. >I distinctly remember the quality of writing during this time being much higher than it is today. What writing are you thinking about? Person…

>People can and do, do a good job at things even if they're just doing it for the money. In order to make the big dolla dolla on ads, your piece can't be too confronting, it can't be so dense or specific that's it's unapproachable for a general audience and it can't critique the people who supply your ads. It probably needs to use simple enough words and sentences that it translates through google with reasonable acc…

>content that is effective at generating ad revenue must be shallow, vapid and limited in scope.

Even if I grant you all the generalizations you made, You will still not make any revenue unless your audience is interested in content that is shallow, vapid and limited in scope.

Re: Reports of cancellation of AdSense accounts

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Post by pramodbiligiri » Tue, Jul 05, 2016, 9:10 PM UTC

djhn wrote: post #73

chewxy wrote: post #51

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Appnexus is a RTB platform and a DSP (and a whole lot of other things they do). OpenX is/was an exchange and is generally the #1 place for buying/selling dodgy af traffic. Neither does what Adsense does per se. What Adsense does is it reads the content of the page, and loads relevant ads from from its database of ads (things people put in adwords) and from GDN (also things people put in AdWords, and DBM, only they're…

Since you seem to know the industry well, what are the top resources (of any kind) to study the current state of online advertising for an advanced audience? Both from the technical side, and from the advertiser's business side. At a level that you would ideally know and learn if you were working as an executive in the industry.

I don't know if these will bring you to the level of an executive in the industry, but they offer good introductions:

- Targeted by Mike Smith https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00KVO2CGU/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?...

- Google publishes a lot of material https://www.thinkwithgoogle.com/topics/advertising.html

- this is the website of one of the main industrial bodies in advertising http://www.iab.com/insights/?topic=global/

Re: Reports of cancellation of AdSense accounts

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Post by chronid » Tue, Jul 05, 2016, 9:52 PM UTC

ksk wrote: post #151

chronid wrote: post #38

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Take away all the flash ads, the ads that start music (!), the ads that start video (!), and I will not block the site. Stop splitting articles in 1000 pages because you need to cram more ads in and I will unblock the site. Stop pushing useless overlays and pop ups into my face and I will turn the adblocker off. My first visit to a website is always with the adblocker disabled. The second visit depends on what ads I…

But, why not just stop visiting those sites and instead visit sites that run ads in ways you agree with. Kind of like how its better to not willfully infringe on copyright to "stick it" to some random megacorp. Instead just support the people who're doing things you agree with.

I do that too. My following visits are usually due to some random link posted here, reddit, social networks or through friends or colleagues. If I did not do that I would probably have to completely stop commenting on news and opinion pieces... Which could be a gread thing for my evenings (cue "someone is wrong on the internet" XKCD comic), but still. :P

I pay for a couple of online newspapers (one is generic, the other specialized in something I'm interested in) too, because what they write is high quality content in my eyes and worth it.

Re: Reports of cancellation of AdSense accounts

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Post by narrowrail » Tue, Jul 05, 2016, 9:52 PM UTC

adsense_is_crap wrote: post #87

t0pz wrote: post #53

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github does not reveal the part of their code that is hosted on Eyeo's servers. While i certainly can't prove that they do, you also can't use their repo to determine what else they do in the background, leaving it up to "trust" again, as usual. Also, i couldn't care less about some headline. I would like a discussion, not e-pride

By that reasoning, I shouldn't use the internet because it does not describe a web of trust system that would meet secure-by design properties that you demand (Phil Zimmerman, the creator of PGP describes this in theory though) More fundamentally, your claim is not falsifiable https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falsifiability i.e. you can't claim something true on the basis of the other person not being able to reasonably…

The request is for you or t0pz to point to the ABP code that allows for keylogging.

N.B. At the time of this comment, the time-stamp of the above comment is 9hrs ago and the account is 13hrs old.

Re: Reports of cancellation of AdSense accounts

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Post by Sir_Substance » Tue, Jul 05, 2016, 10:07 PM UTC

ksk wrote: post #161

Sir_Substance wrote: post #155

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>People can and do, do a good job at things even if they're just doing it for the money. In order to make the big dolla dolla on ads, your piece can't be too confronting, it can't be so dense or specific that's it's unapproachable for a general audience and it can't critique the people who supply your ads. It probably needs to use simple enough words and sentences that it translates through google with reasonable acc…

>content that is effective at generating ad revenue must be shallow, vapid and limited in scope. Even if I grant you all the generalizations you made, You will still not make any revenue unless your audience is interested in content that is shallow, vapid and limited in scope.

>You will still not make any revenue unless your audience is interested in content that is shallow, vapid and limited in scope.

That's total garbage. Correct game theory when making monetized content for profit is to have it spread as widely as possible. Whether it's good quality or even factually correct is vastly less important than that it be spread widely, quickly.

The goal is not to get people to read the content, it's to park a piece of advertising in front of their face that they are willing to click on. The job of deciding which advertising they will click on is dealt with by the content network. The authors job is to get eyeballs on a page they can affix ads to. Vapidness is great, because it's cheap and non threatening, and to demonstrate this principal, I present to you buzzfeed, vice and wired:

https://www.buzzfeed.com/ http://www.vice.com/en_se http://www.wired.com/

(I don't even need to take static shots of them, they'll be covered in shallow garbage any time of day or night)

Re: Reports of cancellation of AdSense accounts

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Post by manigandham » Tue, Jul 05, 2016, 11:34 PM UTC

djhn wrote: post #73

chewxy wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Appnexus is a RTB platform and a DSP (and a whole lot of other things they do). OpenX is/was an exchange and is generally the #1 place for buying/selling dodgy af traffic. Neither does what Adsense does per se. What Adsense does is it reads the content of the page, and loads relevant ads from from its database of ads (things people put in adwords) and from GDN (also things people put in AdWords, and DBM, only they're…

Since you seem to know the industry well, what are the top resources (of any kind) to study the current state of online advertising for an advanced audience? Both from the technical side, and from the advertiser's business side. At a level that you would ideally know and learn if you were working as an executive in the industry.

Wrote this quora answer on resources for learning about the adtech landscape: https://www.quora.com/What-are-the-best-resources-to-learn-a...

Re: Reports of cancellation of AdSense accounts

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Post by ksk » Tue, Jul 05, 2016, 11:43 PM UTC

Sir_Substance wrote: post #165

ksk wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>content that is effective at generating ad revenue must be shallow, vapid and limited in scope. Even if I grant you all the generalizations you made, You will still not make any revenue unless your audience is interested in content that is shallow, vapid and limited in scope.

>You will still not make any revenue unless your audience is interested in content that is shallow, vapid and limited in scope. That's total garbage. Correct game theory when making monetized content for profit is to have it spread as widely as possible. Whether it's good quality or even factually correct is vastly less important than that it be spread widely, quickly. The goal is not to get people to read the conten…

You have a curious way to call my point "garbage" and then proceed to agree with me. You must have parsed it in some odd manner.

Re: Reports of cancellation of AdSense accounts

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Post by ksk » Tue, Jul 05, 2016, 11:46 PM UTC

chronid wrote: post #163

ksk wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But, why not just stop visiting those sites and instead visit sites that run ads in ways you agree with. Kind of like how its better to not willfully infringe on copyright to "stick it" to some random megacorp. Instead just support the people who're doing things you agree with.

I do that too. My following visits are usually due to some random link posted here, reddit, social networks or through friends or colleagues. If I did not do that I would probably have to completely stop commenting on news and opinion pieces... Which could be a gread thing for my evenings (cue "someone is wrong on the internet" XKCD comic), but still. :P I pay for a couple of online newspapers (one is generic, the ot…

Well, how many new domains are you visiting each day? There are countless ways of blocking domains in some "one-click" fashion, whenever you visit one that you don't like. So you can still get what you want without using ad-block.

Re: Reports of cancellation of AdSense accounts

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Post by mahranch » Tue, Jul 05, 2016, 11:51 PM UTC

noxToken wrote: post #116

Sir_Substance wrote: post #33

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>First of all, adblock has destroyed a significant number of small bloggers, content-writers, and other publishers, as especially those were struggling to stay above water. People used to do that for free because they cared about the content they were writing, rather than because it was making their daily bread. I distinctly remember the quality of writing during this time being much higher than it is today.

You pretty much hit the nail on the head. Written content was either managed by major news outlets or by hobbyists. I can still remember reading many blogs in 2009/2010 by hobbyist who just wanted to spread their experience with the hobby or craft. Most had no advertising. Those that did had the small, occasional unobtrusive banner ad. All of the links to follow were to other blogs by those who proved to the writer t…

> I can still remember reading many blogs in 2009/2010 by hobbyist who just wanted to spread their experience with the hobby or craft. Most had no advertising. Those that did had the small, occasional unobtrusive banner ad. All of the links to follow were to other blogs by those who proved to the writer that their blogs were topical and without cruft.

You make it sound like every hobby website wasn't out to make money. What you're describing are the exceptions, not the rule. And they weren't as numerous as your comment indicates. An RC airplane website/forum had ads or deals with companies selling planes, marijuana websites (anyone remember overgrow.com back in 2001?) had deals with seedbanks and marijuana supply companies. Very rare was the hobby website that operated without sponsorship or some form of money generation mechanic. Not to mention, hosting back then was much more expensive. Today it's cheaper than dirt but that wasn't always the case.

Re: Reports of cancellation of AdSense accounts

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Post by Turing_Machine » Wed, Jul 06, 2016, 12:02 AM UTC

relix wrote: post #5

Turing_Machine wrote: post #3

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Possibly a variant on the old "You need to update your Wells Fargo (or wherever) account information" scam. They blast it out to a zillion people at random, many of whom don't even have accounts at Wells Fargo. That doesn't matter -- many of them do. And of those who do, some will be naive enough to follow the link and hand over their credentials.

Accounts are actually cancelled so no, that's not it.

It's entirely possible that a scammer would exploit a real large-scale cancellation by sending zillions of fake cancellation messages. In fact, that would make the scam work better. If the intended victim a) has an AdSense account and b) has heard of the (real) cancellations, he's probably going to be much more likely to click on the fake cancellation message.