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Jacob Appelbaum’s response to accusations by the Tor community

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Re: Jacob Appelbaum’s response to accusations by the Tor community

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jacobappelbaum.net is hosted on github at: https://github.com/cephurs/jacobappelbaum.net Cephurs was an op in a channel run by the law enforcement folks who took down LulzSec: http://www.xeroflux.net/uploads/Operation_Anon_Rat.pdf Kinda suspicious.

Totally can't be law enforcement, they forked the repo "FuckNSA".

Re: Jacob Appelbaum’s response to accusations by the Tor community

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May I argue that it is uncomfortably low? The estimated percentage of women that are the victims of sexual assault is an order of magnitude higher. (See for instance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_assault_in_the_United_S... ) > 23 percent of women and 4 percent of men reported experiencing unwanted sexual contact Even worse, 3% of false positives is a twenty-eighth of the percentage of unreported rapes: https:/…

>> According to this essay, about 3% of men will get falsely accused of rape in their lifetime: http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/02/17/lies-damned-lies-and-so... . >> The real number is impossible to determine, but is uncomfortably high. > May I argue that it is uncomfortably low? The estimated percentage of women that are the victims of sexual assault is an order of magnitude higher. If I'm reading you correctly, you…

I don't think you're reading the comment correctly. The comment is not proposing that falsely accusing more people will solve any problems.

EDIT: gender agnostic phrasing

Re: Jacob Appelbaum’s response to accusations by the Tor community

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First: no, this is not plausible. Second, a question: exactly what is it that people think Jacob Appelbaum did to make him Public Enemy #1 of any government? He's not an especially important Tor contributor. Tor is not only funded by the US Government, but it began as a project at the Naval Research Lab. He's a spokesperson for Wikileaks, and Wikileaks has gotten itself engaged in serious legal issues with the US Gov…

I think you've conflated the conspiracy that I'm suggesting with the conspiracy suggested by the comment above me. To be clear, I don't think either of these conspiracies are plausible: the simplest theory that fits the evidence is "He's a creep". But I'm suggesting a very different conspiracy from one Appelbaum is insinuating: not that the government has beleaguered him with false accusations, but that the accusatio…

> There are other reports of him passing off research as his own when it was actually by other people, and people being advised to let it go and not draw his ire.

Where are those reports though?

Re: Jacob Appelbaum’s response to accusations by the Tor community

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I'm talking about these people in the smear campaign which Ive referenced repeatedly here. Not arbitrary victims. It's these people that will "report crimes" to everyone on Internet but not to law enforcement. Even with hashes and shit. You know, like most rape victims trying to stop specific rapists from hurting others...

Please stop assigning responsibilities to the victims of abuses.

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Re: Jacob Appelbaum’s response to accusations by the Tor community

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According to this essay, about 3% of men will get falsely accused of rape in their lifetime: http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/02/17/lies-damned-lies-and-so... The real number is impossible to determine, but is uncomfortably high.

May I argue that it is uncomfortably low? The estimated percentage of women that are the victims of sexual assault is an order of magnitude higher. (See for instance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_assault_in_the_United_S... ) > 23 percent of women and 4 percent of men reported experiencing unwanted sexual contact Even worse, 3% of false positives is a twenty-eighth of the percentage of unreported rapes: https:/…

> May I argue that it is uncomfortably low?

You may; but it is certainly high enough to lend credence to those concerned about false accusations.

Re: Jacob Appelbaum’s response to accusations by the Tor community

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"Don't rape anybody" is probably an easier way.

Given false claims epidemics you have in the US these days my solution seems the only feasible one that can stand up in court. Guess why Linus is never allowing a lone female to be alone with him even for a few seconds?

> Given false claims epidemics you have in the US these days

Citation needed.

Re: Jacob Appelbaum’s response to accusations by the Tor community

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Creating a site that alleges you are a rapist is an amazingly stressful process for the presumed innocent person, requiring him to respond to a torrent of media and social hate and shunning, being tried in the public eye, open to claims of being a "monster", etc. You could argue you're "helping" more people by believing rape claims, but that's both mob rule(the rights of the many trample the rights of the few) and no…

Hold on, you're confusing different viewpoints. The people who contributed stories to the site, and would be the ones to report to the police, are the alleged victims. From their perspective, there is no "presumed innocent". If they are telling the truth about having experienced abuse first-hand, then they know he is guilty of at least their own abuse story and very likely the others, in which case the repercussions…

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Re: Jacob Appelbaum’s response to accusations by the Tor community

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In cases like this where it is word against word, I think it is important as an outsider to hedge your bet. Act as if the allegations are true and false at the same time. Assuming they are true: make sure to create a safe space (virtually, in real live, and in discourse) for potential victims. Don't put the accused person on sensitive community functions. Take (this and further) accusations very seriously. If someone…

> It's rarer than most people think that accusations of sexual abuse are falsely raised, but it is still a possibility.

Disclaimer: it seems to me the claims are true.

That said:

I don't think the above observation has a great deal of predictive value in this context, where "this context" is "sexual assault allegations against a public figure". The fact that most sexual assault allegations picked out of all sexual assault allegations happen to be true, does not tell you much about sexual assault allegations against public figures when the ratio of reported sexual assaults against public figures to the number of reported sexual assaults in total, is very, very low.

Indeed, every sexual assault allegation against a public figure could be false, and it wouldn't move the needle at all on the likelihood that the typical allegation is true.

Re: Jacob Appelbaum’s response to accusations by the Tor community

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For what it's worth, the web site denies involvement with the twitter account: > I SAW SOME DIFFERENT TWITTER ACCOUNTS CLAIMING TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS SITE. IS THAT YOU? > No. Since it is no longer possible to create a Twitter acocunt without a phone number and because we believe anonymity is important, we opted to boycott direct Twitter presence for this site. We don't have a Twitter account. > We have seen the…

> No. Since it is no longer possible to create a Twitter acocunt without a phone number Really?

Well, at least in germany that's patently false. Twitter asks for a phone number, but there's a skip link below the form. Could be a little more visible, but it works.

Re: Jacob Appelbaum’s response to accusations by the Tor community

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jacobappelbaum.net is hosted on github at: https://github.com/cephurs/jacobappelbaum.net Cephurs was an op in a channel run by the law enforcement folks who took down LulzSec: http://www.xeroflux.net/uploads/Operation_Anon_Rat.pdf Kinda suspicious.

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