In their quest to remain relevant and join the 1 Billion install club for their latest OS they're using every trick in the book to fool users into upgrading their OS just so that they can meet their timelines. What they didn't account for was the backlash and rage their malware inspired tactics would ignite. Forcing people to upgrade to Windows 10 against their wishes is despicable and disgusting.
Forced Windows 10 Upgrade Shuts Down PC Used by Anti-Poaching Rangers in Africa
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Do you think they will start showing advertisements on the Windows 10? Like if you're in settings and a banner ad pops up.
They already are, as you can see from the numerous articles here and elsewhere on the Internet, as well as my personal experience. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11167964 http://betanews.com/2015/10/15/microsoft-now-uses-windows-10... http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2015-07/30/windows-10-pa...
Wow. You now have to pay a monthly fee to avoid 30 second videos in Solitaire ! That's almost extortion.
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This is a good time to mention that the minimum for volume licensing is only 5 copies.
It's still a hard sell. If a machine comes with Windows [Version] Home edition, there are business reasons to upgrade. If you buy a business machine with Professional edition, it already services all the business needs. I used to have good reason to push volume licensing when Enterprise was necessary to get Bitlocker.. but now there's very little business reason to do so.
I think even with Volume Licensing, Enterprise is more expensive than Pro. But my point is that it is definitely possible to get it.
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If you would update to 8, which is more of a TS interface with an ap store, why not windows 7? You could have a 64bit OS with a nice quad core+ cpu which is impossible in XP. Then you could virtual machine xp on top of that and have the latest and greatest. XP is rather dated to say the least. The only reason to run it is if you have older hardware such as a pentium 4 single core processor on board.
I believe it also upgrades itself. Not sure. I really don't want to risk it because it could brick t he car's ecu (not cheap).
Welcome to being a victim of sensational misreporting. Win7 does not upgrade itself randomly or without telling you. It will schedule an upgrade, then tell you about it and give you a chance to cancel it beforehand. And using something like https://www.grc.com/never10.htm you can also disable the scheduling.
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#165The amount of churn in the computer industry is staggering and the upgrade treadmill is a huge waste of resources to many, but I suppose it's the only way for them to continue making a profit. Personally, I think Windows as an OS reached its pinnacle sometime around the XP timeframe; since then it has mostly been frustrating UI changes and feature removals, "security" features designed to lock down your PC against yo…
This is a good time to mention that ad tracking tends to be separate from for example SQM telemetry in general.
What user data is tracked for ads and which ones result in SQM details?
Are changes in tracking behavior detailed in patches?
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Charitably, Microsoft learned from Windows 95 and Windows NT that if you expect users to upgrade on their own they won't do it. So now they are forcing the issue, albeit with bad execution.
Really? I don't see a lot of people running Windows 95 or Windows NT. The lesson Microsoft should have learned is that if they come out with a genuinely-improved version of Windows, the user base will adopt it in good time without being herded like sheep.
My father told me a computer that I built for one of his customers running windows 95 almost 20 years ago is still running and being used daily.
I don't think they would like windows 10. :p
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This is a good time to mention that ad tracking tends to be separate from for example SQM telemetry in general.
What user data is tracked for ads and which ones result in SQM details? Are changes in tracking behavior detailed in patches?
I think the usage and purpose of the two kinds of data would be completely different.
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There was a user action to install it, but it's pretty sneaky. MS changed the behavior of the upgrade question dialog that if you close it with x it will start the download and then install when ready. Your girlfriend must have clicked the x some time prior to the sudden upgrade. Even my tech-savvy coworker who didn't want to upgrade got caught out by this. Anyway, you can still roll back, and then install never10.
Edit: After some thinking: Yes, i agree this is a dark pattern and MS needs to be held accountable to it accordingly. My only disagreement with the current direction of discourse is that people are not saying "MS manipulated me into an update", which is the truth, but "Windows updated on its own and there was nothing anyone could do", which isn't. -- They didn't change it, it was always that way. People only realized…
This is what a simple and honest upgrade message might look like:
“A major system update is available for your computer; for more information on Windows 10, please go [here]. IMPORTANT: In addition to changing Windows, this update could also require you to find and install updates for other programs on your computer.
What would you like to do?
[Upgrade Now] [Upgrade Later] [Do Not Upgrade]”
No marketing-speak, no crap about how many other people have been affected by the virus-er I mean upgraded, all they needed was to be straightforward with users. Why was that so hard for Microsoft to do?
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#169The amount of churn in the computer industry is staggering and the upgrade treadmill is a huge waste of resources to many, but I suppose it's the only way for them to continue making a profit. Personally, I think Windows as an OS reached its pinnacle sometime around the XP timeframe; since then it has mostly been frustrating UI changes and feature removals, "security" features designed to lock down your PC against yo…
> I saw that Windows 10's start menu contains adverts
I would be surprised to hear of Microsoft doing such a thing, and equally surprised to hear of a consumer OEM not doing it.
Are you sure it was Microsoft and not the manufacturer?
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#170Earlier quoted context omitted.
Edit: After some thinking: Yes, i agree this is a dark pattern and MS needs to be held accountable to it accordingly. My only disagreement with the current direction of discourse is that people are not saying "MS manipulated me into an update", which is the truth, but "Windows updated on its own and there was nothing anyone could do", which isn't. -- They didn't change it, it was always that way. People only realized…
'll most likely be downvoted for this, but whilst I sympathise with the plight of those being auto upgraded at inconvenience a small part of me thinks that those users who cannot be bothered to read the important OS information notices, are the ones who may need the upgrade the most. As parent (+1'ed) notes, the message itself is quite clear in its intent. I would not for a second think that closing the window would…
While security is a good goal, surely you can agree that they could have (and should have) rolled any major security updates into a small, free OS update for that purpose alone? They didn’t have to simultaneously revamp the entire UI, replace default programs with less-useful versions, etc.