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The sugar conspiracy: sugar—not fat—is the greatest danger to our health

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Re: The sugar conspiracy: sugar—not fat—is the greatest danger to our health

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Post by InanityDept »

donutdan4114 wrote: post #11

As someone who has shifted to a sugar-free, high-fat lifestyle (keto diet), I can attest to the fact that sugar really is the ultimate evil in terms of health and nutrition. I've lost about 100lbs in 2.5 years... The only thing that I really changed was doing a Keto diet. I've learned a lot about nutrition along the way, and it's amazing how bad nutrition info was when I was growing up.. Common Misconceptions I hear/…

> 3) Fats are bad.

So I subscribed to this for a few years. Cut out a lot of carbs, ate lots of meat, eggs, etc.

And then watched my APO-B (and, by nature, LDL/VLDL) numbers skyrocket to worrisome levels.

Turns out I am APOE-4 (or, more specifically, 3/4) and it's just not that simple.

And it's not a rare thing either - 20%+ of people are likely to be 2/4, 3/4, or 4/4. That's a huge chunk of people to put at risk by all "modern" fad diets proudly proclaiming "fats are not bad for you".

(In truth it's saturated fats that cause issues for APOE4 carriers, but most of what is said following "fats are not bad for you" are usually something along the lines of "so eat eggs, bacon, ground beef etc. every day. It's healthy!"

Re: The sugar conspiracy: sugar—not fat—is the greatest danger to our health

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Post by samfisher83 »

donutdan4114 wrote: post #11

As someone who has shifted to a sugar-free, high-fat lifestyle (keto diet), I can attest to the fact that sugar really is the ultimate evil in terms of health and nutrition. I've lost about 100lbs in 2.5 years... The only thing that I really changed was doing a Keto diet. I've learned a lot about nutrition along the way, and it's amazing how bad nutrition info was when I was growing up.. Common Misconceptions I hear/…

The human body is pretty adaptable. This guy lost weight and mad his HDL and LDL just eating twinkies.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/11/08/twinkie.diet.professor/

Re: The sugar conspiracy: sugar—not fat—is the greatest danger to our health

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Post by viggity »

mrfusion wrote: post #97
Diederich wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everything you said. I've been treating sugar as personal health enemy #1 for quite a few years now. Note: I am deeply addicted to sugar. It has been absurdly and embarrassingly hard for me to abstain from high sugar foods. I can eat a healthy, high-protein meal, and be full. Yet 30 minutes later, I will feel hungry again. But checking in with my stomach: still full. I can eat a few grams of sugar and feel instantly…

I started taking a probiotic and strangely lost all sugar cravings. I can send you the brand if you want to try it. I'd be curious if others get the same effect. Edit: I got so many emails I guess I'll just post it here: https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00JEKYNZA/ Probably within 24 hours I noticed the effect which makes me kind of skeptical, maybe it's some kind of placebo effect, but I've noticed it many times, and…

I'd like to know. I've emailed you, but you can always put it here too.

Re: The sugar conspiracy: sugar—not fat—is the greatest danger to our health

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Post by aaxe »

KingMob wrote: post #54
mtgx wrote: post #7

So when can we have stevia into all of our food?

Might be better to just curb the craving for sweetness. Study after study shows no effect of diet sodas vs regular sodas. While artificial sweeteners have a low glycemic index/load, they stimulate the release of related hormones like insulin and GLP-1. And insulin, if you recall, signals fat cells to suck up the energy and grow. So if you drink a diet soda, it might have no calories itself, but it's more likely to co…

No no no no no

God damn. This is a perfect example of how a little knowledge is dangerous.

1. Artificial sweeteners do NOT cause insulin to be released. 2. On that note, insulin is a storage hormone. That is it. It is not a fat-hormone. You know what's one of the few hormones that almost all bodybuilders take? Insulin - because it makes their muscles grow.

You get fat because your intake of calories is excessive, regardless of whether its done via carbs or fats.

Re: The sugar conspiracy: sugar—not fat—is the greatest danger to our health

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Post by VLM »

Someone1234 wrote: post #51
donutdan4114 wrote: post #16

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If anyone has any questions about starting a keto diet (high-fat, mid-protein, low-carb), feel free to ask. :) Cannot recommend it enough. It simply just works..

How expensive is it? I mean literally. A lot of these alternative diets seem to work but be far more expensive than eating crap, unless all you eat are veggies (which few like).

Poorly prepared meat leads to food poisoning or being physically inedible, so in a nearly Darwinian selection process, meat either tastes great or you're dead, therefore living people report meat tastes good. Unfortunately for veggies, as long as you put the most minimal effort into washing them, its difficult to die from eating veggies. Therefore there's no "reward" for proper preparation. It'll hit the dinner table and you won't die no matter how bad it tastes. Therefore you end up with borderline inedible food, therefore "I don't like veggies". Growing up my well intentioned mom did inhumane things to brussel sprouts, spinach, eggplant, tomatoes ... stuff that I now like, properly prepared...

The first thing paleo/keto people discover is the real world has seasons and people looking for an excuse not to change will always find the single item in the store today that's the most expensive for this current month and then Demand it be 100% of their food intake. Therefore at $11 per imported organic pound of blueberries from greenhouses in Chile, its a mathematically unaffordable diet because humans can only eat blueberries, so I'm going back to cheap hot pockets and twinkies. I admit I indulge a bit in unhealthy blueberries are in season and locally grown are selling for $1.50 per pound. Being in season only a couple weeks is kind of a natural limiter to that dietary misbehavior. Anyway that is such a stereotypical behavior that when people complain about unaffordability in social media its fun to classify them as blueberries, tenderloin steaks, bacon fiends, etc. I saw a coconut guy posting on the internet one time proving it was unaffordable compared to a diet consisting entirely of big macs, you see all kinds of weird stuff sooner or later.

One interesting point about affordability is the official government diet is pretty cheap, after all, once you die of a heart attack at age 40 and 400 pounds, your food bill tends to drop a bit. If trying to save money is the only priority, corpses don't eat much.

Re: The sugar conspiracy: sugar—not fat—is the greatest danger to our health

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Post by VLM »

donutdan4114 wrote: post #73
sageabilly wrote: post #64

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What's your daily caloric total? No breakfast plus just veg for lunch sounds like you're on an extremely low calorie diet, which will work for just about anyone regardless of if it's keto or not.

It is very hard to hit 1800+ calories on a keto diet. You have to add a lot of fat to things. This means eating a little... Abnormally. Such as eating baked cheese, adding extra butter (any fat) to meals. Avocado is a great fat-packed vege. Lots of cream cheese..

3 tbsp sour cream is one gram of tasty carb. Dairy isn't very paleo but I'll indulge sometimes.

1/4 cup of guacamole (depending what you added) is about 4 grams of carbs, probably affordable.

Both are about 100 calories.

Re: The sugar conspiracy: sugar—not fat—is the greatest danger to our health

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Post by truckle »

donutdan4114 wrote: post #11

As someone who has shifted to a sugar-free, high-fat lifestyle (keto diet), I can attest to the fact that sugar really is the ultimate evil in terms of health and nutrition. I've lost about 100lbs in 2.5 years... The only thing that I really changed was doing a Keto diet. I've learned a lot about nutrition along the way, and it's amazing how bad nutrition info was when I was growing up.. Common Misconceptions I hear/…

There's a great Ketogenic Soylent recipe over at the DIY Soylent site: http://diy.soylent.com/recipes/keto-chow-104-master-rich-cho...

Re: The sugar conspiracy: sugar—not fat—is the greatest danger to our health

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Post by porker »

donutdan4114 wrote: post #16
donutdan4114 wrote: post #11

As someone who has shifted to a sugar-free, high-fat lifestyle (keto diet), I can attest to the fact that sugar really is the ultimate evil in terms of health and nutrition. I've lost about 100lbs in 2.5 years... The only thing that I really changed was doing a Keto diet. I've learned a lot about nutrition along the way, and it's amazing how bad nutrition info was when I was growing up.. Common Misconceptions I hear/…

If anyone has any questions about starting a keto diet (high-fat, mid-protein, low-carb), feel free to ask. :) Cannot recommend it enough. It simply just works..

What is meant by a keto diet? Something that puts your body in ketosis? If so, how many days a week?

I hear keto bandied about a lot, but not sure a) if everyone's talking about the same thing, b) the difference between it and paleo, and c) if it's actually healthy :)

Re: The sugar conspiracy: sugar—not fat—is the greatest danger to our health

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Post by mmebane »

donutdan4114 wrote: post #73
sageabilly wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's your daily caloric total? No breakfast plus just veg for lunch sounds like you're on an extremely low calorie diet, which will work for just about anyone regardless of if it's keto or not.

It is very hard to hit 1800+ calories on a keto diet. You have to add a lot of fat to things. This means eating a little... Abnormally. Such as eating baked cheese, adding extra butter (any fat) to meals. Avocado is a great fat-packed vege. Lots of cream cheese..

I've found the easiest way to maintain my macro ratios on Keto is to just drink heavy whipping cream for breakfast - it's almost pure fat, and 1/2 cup is about 400 kcal. It's slightly sweet and has little or no oily taste, so it goes down much easier than coconut oil or butter. Even when I'm adding it to coffee, I prefer it over butter.

For a quick snacky lunch, I love celery and cream cheese or, depending on what mood I'm in, celery and mayo.

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