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Re: Learning from Tay’s introduction

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Post by rasz_pl »

bliti wrote: post #81
dsp1234 wrote: post #50

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because we had thought about all likely scenarios in our comfortable offices. Or because they had real world experience with another bot in a similar situation: "In China, our XiaoIce chatbot is being used by some 40 million people, delighting with its stories and conversations."

Interesting that it worked in China and not here. I'd like to read about the difference rather than a bland apology.

dick jokes resulting in concentra^^^Reeducation camp might have something to do with it.

Re: Learning from Tay’s introduction

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Post by jackvalentine »

Nadya wrote: post #139
stared wrote: post #136

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For starter: penalizing generated phrases with obscene words, "hate", "kill", "Hilter" and a few other.

"I really hate Hitler. If he were alive today, I'd kill him." Want to give a reason that should be a heavily penalized phrase?

It's safer to just avoid Hitler altogether.

Re: Learning from Tay’s introduction

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Post by rasz_pl »

dr_zoidberg wrote: post #114
zxcvvcxz wrote: post #109

> The great experience with XiaoIce led us to wonder: Would an AI like this be just as captivating in a radically different cultural environment? Tay – a chatbot created for 18- to 24- year-olds in the U.S. for entertainment purposes – is our first attempt to answer this question. Maybe you did answer that question. No, the answer is not that 18-24 year olds in the US are racist and what not. But that the ones respon…

A coworker mentioned, a couple[0] (1-2) years ago, that in some european country they were starting to use a machine-learning-driven system to predict zones where more police was needed to better respond to crime. It wasn't Minority Report style, just a broad statistic, but it was quite interesting. Unfortunately, I've forgotten the country and the name, so I can't be any more specific. [0] https://xkcd.com/1070/ --…

That mysterious european country is called US of A

http://www.theguardian.com/cities/2014/jun/25/predicting-cri...

Re: Learning from Tay’s introduction

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Post by kelukelugames »

warmblood wrote: post #148
kelukelugames wrote: post #131

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Just going post post this xkcd comic. https://xkcd.com/1357/ I didn't think Tay's tweets were a big deal. I didn't think Microsoft's apology was either. But some people have a strong persecution complex and are offended that you can't make racist comments on Twitter.

I think your own life experiences probably matter a lot with regards to whether some of the white supremacy stuff the bot was repeating is offensive or not a "big deal".

I agree completely. That's why many people on HN are upset because they think it's just a joke and can't comprehend why anyone is upset. I tried to phrase my comment as "I hear ya, but have you considered x?" I gave up half way through and decided to call them crybabies.

Both the Verge and Engadget shut down their comment forums because they got tired of racist and sexist comments. I wonder if HN will root out the bigotry here.

Re: Learning from Tay’s introduction

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Post by zxcvvcxz »

trhway wrote: post #150
zxcvvcxz wrote: post #109

> The great experience with XiaoIce led us to wonder: Would an AI like this be just as captivating in a radically different cultural environment? Tay – a chatbot created for 18- to 24- year-olds in the U.S. for entertainment purposes – is our first attempt to answer this question. Maybe you did answer that question. No, the answer is not that 18-24 year olds in the US are racist and what not. But that the ones respon…

>Why are so many people on the internet interested in spreading hateful content because internet is just another medium. It happens in other mediums too. Look for example at the US presidential campaign - even Lindsey Graham in yesterday's Daily Show stated that 35% of Republicans (he meant Trump supporters) are racists/etc. (though i'd side with Noah here that it is whole (not just 35%) Republican party and Trump is…

Wait, you think the whole of the Republican party are racists?

I think you and your friend Trevor Noah might be a part of the reason there's a lot of vitriol on the internet. You're basically claiming that half of the US voter electorate - who identify and register as Republicans - are racist.

Well let me tell you some things that others on the internet might not have the patience to tell you. The Republican party believes in individual liberties and was actually the original political party to end slavery in the US. Yes, you read that right. Abraham Lincoln was a Republican.

They don't want lower taxes and less social services because they hate minorities and poor people. They want lower taxes - and a smaller state - because they believe individuals have control over their destiny. That they deserve equal opportunities, and shouldn't be told what to do or how to think by the government. They don't think black people are worse and therefore need the government's help.

If you and other liberal elites think we need to hand hold a certain race of people with the implication that they're just not as good, then I'd say you're the racist.

If you want to discuss and debate actual policy, by all means. But if you're going to blanket label a group of people like that, then you're a part of the problem with political discourse in this country.

The Republican party also includes the like of Ron and Rand Paul, libertarians who a lot of the HN demographic identify with and support.

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Post by throwaway_xx9 »

zxcvvcxz wrote: post #165
trhway wrote: post #150

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>Why are so many people on the internet interested in spreading hateful content because internet is just another medium. It happens in other mediums too. Look for example at the US presidential campaign - even Lindsey Graham in yesterday's Daily Show stated that 35% of Republicans (he meant Trump supporters) are racists/etc. (though i'd side with Noah here that it is whole (not just 35%) Republican party and Trump is…

Wait, you think the whole of the Republican party are racists? I think you and your friend Trevor Noah might be a part of the reason there's a lot of vitriol on the internet. You're basically claiming that half of the US voter electorate - who identify and register as Republicans - are racist. Well let me tell you some things that others on the internet might not have the patience to tell you. The Republican party be…

It's a shame that what the Republicans say they stand for and what they do are polar opposites. That's why even Republicans hate the Republican party of 2016.

Re: Learning from Tay’s introduction

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Post by trhway »

zxcvvcxz wrote: post #165
trhway wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Why are so many people on the internet interested in spreading hateful content because internet is just another medium. It happens in other mediums too. Look for example at the US presidential campaign - even Lindsey Graham in yesterday's Daily Show stated that 35% of Republicans (he meant Trump supporters) are racists/etc. (though i'd side with Noah here that it is whole (not just 35%) Republican party and Trump is…

Wait, you think the whole of the Republican party are racists? I think you and your friend Trevor Noah might be a part of the reason there's a lot of vitriol on the internet. You're basically claiming that half of the US voter electorate - who identify and register as Republicans - are racist. Well let me tell you some things that others on the internet might not have the patience to tell you. The Republican party be…

man, even though i'm an immigrant (came here in 2000), my knowledge of the US history is much wider and deeper than your post, thank you. Being the immigrant though, i don't have that emotional baggage of the history like you that would clutter my vision and perception of the current reality, and thus i was able to observe and form my opinion about political forces here from scratch. With regard to quality of my information collecting and opinion forming - I have pretty good education and analytical skills, i.e. high GPA MS in Math from one of the best math schools in USSR/Russia.

Re: Learning from Tay’s introduction

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Post by soundwave106 »

zxcvvcxz wrote: post #165
trhway wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Why are so many people on the internet interested in spreading hateful content because internet is just another medium. It happens in other mediums too. Look for example at the US presidential campaign - even Lindsey Graham in yesterday's Daily Show stated that 35% of Republicans (he meant Trump supporters) are racists/etc. (though i'd side with Noah here that it is whole (not just 35%) Republican party and Trump is…

Wait, you think the whole of the Republican party are racists? I think you and your friend Trevor Noah might be a part of the reason there's a lot of vitriol on the internet. You're basically claiming that half of the US voter electorate - who identify and register as Republicans - are racist. Well let me tell you some things that others on the internet might not have the patience to tell you. The Republican party be…

The entire Republican party is not racist -- any claim that suggests that is pretty laughable. However, the Republican party (since Nixon at least, when LBJ signed the civil rights act) has long had a strategy of, er, courting racists (though not as explicitly as Trump has).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy

To be honest, it's probably better to throw "racism" / nativism under the broader category of "right wing populism". Many other rich world countries do still have (to some degree or another) a pure right wing populist party that on some sides exhibits some racist / nativist / identity politics tendencies; since many of these countries are parliamentary and are not necessarily first past the post, they are often their own entity (eg National Front, UKIP, Party For Freedom, etc.).

The United States is not a parliamentary system (and uses a first past the post style method to boot); this results in more party integration. Thus the US only has two dominant parties, and both tend to be slightly uneasy coalitions as a result (that are not necessarily static; the Democrats and Republicans 60 years ago represented quite different things).

Re: Learning from Tay’s introduction

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Post by solipsism »

zxcvvcxz wrote: post #165
trhway wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Why are so many people on the internet interested in spreading hateful content because internet is just another medium. It happens in other mediums too. Look for example at the US presidential campaign - even Lindsey Graham in yesterday's Daily Show stated that 35% of Republicans (he meant Trump supporters) are racists/etc. (though i'd side with Noah here that it is whole (not just 35%) Republican party and Trump is…

Wait, you think the whole of the Republican party are racists? I think you and your friend Trevor Noah might be a part of the reason there's a lot of vitriol on the internet. You're basically claiming that half of the US voter electorate - who identify and register as Republicans - are racist. Well let me tell you some things that others on the internet might not have the patience to tell you. The Republican party be…

While it's obviously true that not all Republicans are racist (for any given definition of racism, it's not a well-defined word), it is disingenuous to imply there's not a problem with racism in the Republican party, to a much greater degree than the Democratic party. Same goes for homophobia, islamophoboa, jingoism, and xenophobia.

You don't have to admit it. In fact, the fact that do few Republicans admit it is the reason they can't stop being "the stupid party," despite their best efforts. It's the reason the GOP is dying, and might very well die this election, if Trump is elected. So by all means, pretend there's no problem. Meanwhile plenty of serious Republicans are aghast at how much the Republican electorate and the establishment, not to mention the more fringe psychos, have destroyed anything good the GOP may have stood for with this fear-based insane focus on social backwardism.

Talking about the Republican party of Lincoln's time is silly. How is that relevant? No Republican alive today was alive then. It's a completely different party with completely different values. I'm sure you also like to mention how the Democratic party was home to the KKK decades ago. Just as irrelevant.

Re: Learning from Tay’s introduction

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Post by panic »

GunboatDiplomat wrote: post #159
warmblood wrote: post #89

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Standing behind the open and casual use of racial slurs isn't advocacy of freedom of speech. It's advocacy of a specific kind of hate speech that is only used when someone intends to vilify and direct hostility towards a marginalized minority.

Free speech isn't free if it doesn't include speech you find offensive.

Nobody is advocating that Microsoft should be thrown in jail or taken to court. This isn't about the legal protection of free speech.
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