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Re: Brussels Rocked by Terrorist Attacks

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Post by gerbilly » Tue, Mar 22, 2016, 1:13 PM UTC

microtonal wrote: post #101

creshal wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

France has had the most extensive surveillance system in continental Europe for over a decade and it has helped roundabout nothing.

Indeed. It seems to be the prevalent opinion among European counter-terrorism experts that the most effective policies are: - Bringing more eyes and ears in the form of social workers and community policemen in problematic neighborhoods. - Provide better education/work opportunities for immigrants. - Better cooperation between municipalities and Muslim organisations/mosques. - Deradicalization programs. Of course, im…

>problematic neighborhoods.

That's part of the problem right there that people segregate into enclaves and have little contact with each other's communities.

Re: Brussels Rocked by Terrorist Attacks

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Post by ikeboy » Tue, Mar 22, 2016, 1:13 PM UTC

https://archive.is/hJm1m

Re: Brussels Rocked by Terrorist Attacks

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Post by mistermann » Tue, Mar 22, 2016, 1:13 PM UTC

ascorbic wrote: post #89

raverbashing wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Local", yes, keep telling yourself that 2nd generation immigrants I'm not against immigration per se, but there's a lot of problems coming from people who fail (because it's mostly their responsibility) to integrate

If they're born in the country and lived there their whole life, they're local by any non-racist definition.

That's rather disingenuous. They are second generation immigrants of a particular religion that seems to be coincidentally associated time after time in these incidents.

Re: Brussels Rocked by Terrorist Attacks

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Post by raverbashing » Tue, Mar 22, 2016, 1:13 PM UTC

danharaj wrote: post #114

raverbashing wrote: post #80

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> How come this happens again without anyone having seen it coming? A lot of people could see it coming, except for the naive PC people

I'm sure people like you would like to continue and strengthen domestic and foreign policies that would just lead to further violence. Western governments and their right wing supporters in the populace love bashing heads, and when that leads to disenfranchised people with no future who feel utter hostility towards them, they blame everyone but their own actions and bash even harder.

> to disenfranchised people with no future

Better than most people that didn't have the privilege of being there in the first place.

Also access to better education and social support, which most people in the world doesn't have

> they blame everyone but their own actions

Yes, that's the main excuse of people who don't make an effort and expect everything from society (including several 'natives')

Re: Brussels Rocked by Terrorist Attacks

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Post by [deleted] » Tue, Mar 22, 2016, 1:13 PM UTC

dmichulke wrote: post #7

As sad as it is, I think the responses will be: - we need more surveillance rights and money for the secret services - we need more police and higher spending - and possibly bomb some country (Syria is en vogue) What won't be said is: - How come this happens again without anyone having seen it coming? - What does it say about the success of the Western anti-terror foreign policy adopted ~2001?

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Re: Brussels Rocked by Terrorist Attacks

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Post by nikcub » Tue, Mar 22, 2016, 1:14 PM UTC

wslh wrote: post #20

dmichulke wrote: post #7

As sad as it is, I think the responses will be: - we need more surveillance rights and money for the secret services - we need more police and higher spending - and possibly bomb some country (Syria is en vogue) What won't be said is: - How come this happens again without anyone having seen it coming? - What does it say about the success of the Western anti-terror foreign policy adopted ~2001?

I think investing in explosives detection is a better approach. It is an irony that there were explosions at the airport while they are screening you completely before boarding a flight.

I just happen to have a conversation with Matt Ocko, a venture capitalist, about this on Twitter tonight:

https://twitter.com/mattocko/status/712227775805988864

TATP (acetone peroxide), the type of improvised explosive favored by terrorists because of the easy access to ingredients, is uniquely difficult to detect but there have been some recent advances in this area [0]

Most of these attackers use vests that carry 2-10kg of TATP, or backpacks with 10+ kilograms. They are required to load these devices up and travel to their designated target, the hope is that with explosive detection you could pick these guys up or minimize casualties in the same way you could identify a gunman on CCTV.

It wouldn't be a panacea - but it could form part of a broader set of new tech to assist with these cases

[0] http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0925400511...

Re: Brussels Rocked by Terrorist Attacks

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Post by protomyth » Tue, Mar 22, 2016, 1:14 PM UTC

The BBC is once again doing their live update site: http://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-europe-35869266

Re: Brussels Rocked by Terrorist Attacks

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Post by vixen99 » Tue, Mar 22, 2016, 1:15 PM UTC

twoquestions wrote: post #31

michaelmcmillan wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You seem to attribute a lot to politics. I would argue that religion is the variable that plays the dominant role in this war of ideas.

You and many others seem to post that there is a mental cancer infecting 1.5 billion people on this planet, and at any time it could transform its host into a bloodthirsty murderer seemingly at random. I don't buy it.

You don't have to. It's working its infection through. Just read the holy text and go figure. Or is that hate speech?

Re: Brussels Rocked by Terrorist Attacks

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Post by pluma » Tue, Mar 22, 2016, 1:15 PM UTC

ZanyProgrammer wrote: post #113

ageofwant wrote: post #98

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Assad was one of the few that survived the Arab Spring. The Saudi's was another, and a US ally. It is interesting to note that one of the most regressive regimes in the world, Saudi Arabia is one of America's strongest allies in the middle east. But that's none of my business. Many believe that getting rid of Assad will end the Syrian refugee crisis. Others observe that when the Saddam and Gaddafi heads were cut off…

There's simply no way that even if we wanted to, restoring Assad in Syria will ever work again. Too many (basically, everyone whose not an Alawite or Christian) people will never acquiesce to living under his rule.

Anything's better than the status quo.

The only difference between Assad and the other remaining dictators in the region is that the US was heavily invested in getting rid of Assad -- and then Russia came and basically ruined their plans indefinitely.

If there's one Muslim country whose government is in dire need of being overthrown it's Turkey -- but sadly Erdogan has learned from his country's past and made sure the military won't turn against him anytime soon.

Re: Brussels Rocked by Terrorist Attacks

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Post by mineshaftgap » Tue, Mar 22, 2016, 1:15 PM UTC

danharaj wrote: post #114

raverbashing wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> How come this happens again without anyone having seen it coming? A lot of people could see it coming, except for the naive PC people

I'm sure people like you would like to continue and strengthen domestic and foreign policies that would just lead to further violence. Western governments and their right wing supporters in the populace love bashing heads, and when that leads to disenfranchised people with no future who feel utter hostility towards them, they blame everyone but their own actions and bash even harder.

ISIS just needs a hug, that's cute.