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Re: Windows 7 computers are automatically starting the Windows 10 upgrade

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Sorry, why is this a big deal? We've completely accepted auto updates for browsers (chrme & firefox) - years ago. Obviously better, compatibility improves and security issues are easier to push out and fix. To me the browser is as important as the OS, I spend the vast majority of my time in it. Why should MSFT not do this? It's a free update. They're not charging for it. On many aspects, it's a lot better than Window…

>It's a free update. They're not charging for it.

I'll shit in your dinner for free

Re: Windows 7 computers are automatically starting the Windows 10 upgrade

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> Also, there seems to be a number of people here commenting very strongly in favour of Microsoft Count me (shockingly) in the pro Microsoft group here. After years and years of supporting family PCs, I understand and appreciate what they're trying to do. If you make updating something the user has to do, they'll never do it. If you prompt them to update, they'll never do it. Even if they've had the why of it explain…

We don't force people to vaccinate their kids, even though unvaccinated kids are a risk to herd immunity. What makes you think it's OK to force users to update their computers?

Actually, we do. We here in California have pockets of parents who refuse to vaccinate their kids — to the point where a school full of them starts to lose herd immunity. Within the past twelve months, our governor signed a law significantly tightening the requirements to get an exemption; http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_28407108/gov-jerry-brown-signs... says that only medical exemptions will get you out of vaccinating your kids here in California.

Re: Windows 7 computers are automatically starting the Windows 10 upgrade

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Same scenario three weeks ago trying to help out my brother on his brand new Asus that came with Win 10. The wireless hardware just disappeared from the control panel so the option to update the driver wasn't available. I was about to walk him through a complete OS re-install with the option to keep his files until he decided that a wired connection was OK. At the time there was almost no available recent support art…

> The wireless hardware just disappeared from the control panel I installed a fresh Win10 for a family member, and the complete mess of absent/hidden/redesigned/half-duplicated control panel stuff was my first hint that I'd want to stay on Windows-7.

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Re: Windows 7 computers are automatically starting the Windows 10 upgrade

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Why not VLC?

I think you're thinking of Media Player, not Media Center. Media Center is a whole DVR package, consumes TV streams, TV guide data, recordings, can be connected to an Xbox 360... and so on.

Ah, gotcha.

Re: Windows 7 computers are automatically starting the Windows 10 upgrade

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> Perhaps people from MS trying to do damage control? While I appreciate the rest of your comment, I personally find comment like these are obnoxious. I sincerely doubt that vote and comment brigading are anywhere near as prevalent as reddit and this community seem to so routinely imply. Perhaps I'm the naive one, but it is tiresome to so regularly see comments (especially those close to one's own personal beliefs) c…

It is just shocking to see people complaining of data loss, and other extreme inconveniences caused by this update, but then on the other hand people going so far as to flag this thread (see comments below), despite this having been experienced by thousands of people. Being skeptical makes sense, but flagging the thread? I don't see that kind of polar opposite reaction often on HN. It can be relatively economic to pa…

> everyone disagreeing with me is a shill

Well you could just go see post history and call out the obvious one, letting downvotes take care of the rest.

Anyway I had win 10 preinstalled on a laptop and since the last patch craze my wifi stopped working reliably.

I think MS managed to bork something there independently from the os upgrade, but even more interestingly all other computers around here, same make same model, upgraded just fine, so I'd give some credit to the other voices until the actual technical issue is pinned down. At least for the driver issues, the sneaky os update is maddness.

Re: Windows 7 computers are automatically starting the Windows 10 upgrade

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Re-posting my comment from the other thread which didn't get as much attention: I spent about 3 hours this week doing tech support for my mom over the phone because of Windows 10's aggressive upgrading behaviour. I told her to keep her the best way to keep safe security wise is to make sure the os/browser is up to date, and because Windows 10 keeps asking to upgrade, she went ahead and did so. After upgrading to Wind…

> Also, there seems to be a number of people here commenting very strongly in favour of Microsoft Count me (shockingly) in the pro Microsoft group here. After years and years of supporting family PCs, I understand and appreciate what they're trying to do. If you make updating something the user has to do, they'll never do it. If you prompt them to update, they'll never do it. Even if they've had the why of it explain…

Even if Microsoft was just tired of having to ask the user for every little thing, there is a gulf between “ask the user if he or she wants to update” and “auto-install multi-gigabyte blob that changes everything, over a data plan that we don’t pay for, affecting users in dozens of ways that we cannot possibly know in advance” (as Microsoft has now chosen to do).

Microsoft could have started really small with this, even updating a single app. There is no non-marketing reason to simultaneously change massive amounts of software. And since it is now clear that parts of Windows 10 really are half-baked (like duplicate settings panels), there are clearly some things that should have waited for a later update, once there was time to finish them.

And you know, Microsoft has made billions and billions from software so frankly they do not get to screw around here. Nobody with that much money and that many engineers should get an ounce of sympathy for being so incompetent. They needed to start by doing a lot less, with a lot more care and attention.

Re: Windows 7 computers are automatically starting the Windows 10 upgrade

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This is madness. I've actually had the "opposite" problem. Ever since Win10 came out, my Win7 machine doesn't bother announcing when updates are available. I have to remember to install them myself ever "patch Tuesday". But I repeat: this is madness. What kind of a psycho update mechanism would try to install an new OS behind your back?

> I've actually had the "opposite" problem. Ever since Win10 came out, my Win7 machine doesn't bother announcing when updates are available. I have to remember to install them myself ever "patch Tuesday". I also had this issue until I sat down and figured out how to make Windows Update stop forcing Windows 10 on me. Basically, you need to remove KB3035583, hide it from updates AND uncheck the box to "give me recommen…

That will work until they make KB3035583 "Important" again.

Basically, the way they're going, it's only a matter of time before Win 7 & 8 basically don't work anymore.

Re: Windows 7 computers are automatically starting the Windows 10 upgrade

#168
Upgrading to Windows 10 from 7 requires a single button click after opening the upgrade reminder in the task bar.

Dismissing the upgrade reminder is impossible and requires a registry edit:

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3080351

Microsoft is a disgusting company, and I hope they are fully aware how much social capital this has eroded.

Re: Windows 7 computers are automatically starting the Windows 10 upgrade

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Haha yeah! I really can't wait until I can do ALL of my day-to-day dev work on a Linux OS. Soon though... very soon...

Just out of curiosity, what dev work can't you do on Linux? I usually only hear that case for games or graphic/video editing.

Haha actually that is the case! I need to use Unity and the latest Linux build[1] doesn't yet have all of the features like in the latest version 5.3.3 for Windows/OSX. It's still experimental but now that I think of it... I might not need all of the features in the latest release, hmmm.

Also I need Remote Desktop Connection to do some contract work. I know other non-Windows remote desktop applications exist but I'm currently stuck with what their IT department will give me. :)

EDIT: Thinking more about the remote desktop connection. I could just use a Windows VM on Linux. Dang, that never crossed my mind before.

[1] http://blogs.unity3d.com/2015/08/26/unity-comes-to-linux-exp...

Re: Windows 7 computers are automatically starting the Windows 10 upgrade

#170

Re-posting my comment from the other thread which didn't get as much attention: I spent about 3 hours this week doing tech support for my mom over the phone because of Windows 10's aggressive upgrading behaviour. I told her to keep her the best way to keep safe security wise is to make sure the os/browser is up to date, and because Windows 10 keeps asking to upgrade, she went ahead and did so. After upgrading to Wind…

> Also, there seems to be a number of people here commenting very strongly in favour of Microsoft Count me (shockingly) in the pro Microsoft group here. After years and years of supporting family PCs, I understand and appreciate what they're trying to do. If you make updating something the user has to do, they'll never do it. If you prompt them to update, they'll never do it. Even if they've had the why of it explain…

The only problem with that is that Windows 10 is, from a privacy perspective, a downgrade from 7 and 8. Many people are not fond of the UI changes, either, and of course Windows Store is just utter shit, as well.
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