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C2: Affordable X86-64 Servers

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Re: C2: Affordable X86-64 Servers

#161

The blade servers at Delimiter ( https://www.delimiter.com/ ) are even more affordable. I pay $20 a month for a dual Xeon blade with 16gb of ram. They did have a very long downtime this year with no service credit, but uptime has been reasonable over the past year. If you're looking for a hobby box it's a pretty good deal.

How long was the "very long downtime"?

Hours, days, weeks?

Re: C2: Affordable X86-64 Servers

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Please run nbench [1]. I ran it on the C1 in April 2015 and got the following results: CPU : 4 CPU L2 Cache : OS : Linux 3.2.34-29 C compiler : gcc version 4.8.2 (Ubuntu/Linaro 4.8.2-19ubuntu1) libc : libc-2.19.so MEMORY INDEX : 5.859 INTEGER INDEX : 8.164 FLOATING-POINT INDEX: 5.770 For comparison, here are an Intel Atom N450, a Core 2 Duo L7500 and a Raspberry Pi 1 Model B: CPU : Dual GenuineIntel Intel(R) Atom(TM)…

How "reliable" are those numbers in estimating real application performance? I've run nbench for a 1 CPU VM in EC2, and a 2 CPU VM in DO, and the former is a lot faster ( almost 2x ) than the latter! EC2 Ubuntu ( 1 CPU ) ==============================LINUX DATA BELOW=============================== CPU : GenuineIntel Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5-2676 v3 @ 2.40GHz 2400MHz L2 Cache : 30720 KB OS : Linux 3.13.0-74-generic C c…

This is helpful but you're not mentioning what instance type at EC2.. t2 and t1 instances do heavy throttling after you use up your CPU credits[1] so it's likely that you were just using all or most of a full Xeon CPU. I got similar results on even a t2.nano.. until I used up the CPU credits. Then it slowed to a crawl!

Also keep in mind that nbench only tests a single CPU[2].

Apples to apples would probably be a small m3 or m4 against a comparable DO instance. (but let's not go down that cost disparity rabbit hole.. esp EBS vs SSD or bandwidth!)

1. https://aws.amazon.com/ec2/instance-types/t2/

2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBench#Shortcomings

Re: C2: Affordable X86-64 Servers

#164

Using this for a remote backup server would be cool. Start the server, copy over backup, take their "storage snapshot", and turn off the server. Lets do some napkin math: (In USD) - $0.01/hr USD - 10hr of backups each day (Heavy Usage) - 10 cents/day, $3/month, $36/year You can also take snapshots. So that's extra cool. Edit: Calculations for 150GB storage instances: - €0.01/hr (@ 150GB of storage) - 20hr of backups…

> take their "storage snapshot", and turn off the server

Or rather, turn off the server and then take the storage snapshot, which is the order you have to do it. And you have to snapshot and reincarnate just in order to attach or detach a volume, which means adding some more storage space requires several hours downtime, which is a nuisance.

Although apart from that, I have found them very good.

Re: C2: Affordable X86-64 Servers

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Their support isn't great, and they're only in Canada and EU, but Kimsufi[1] is my goto for beefy but cheap dedicated servers. Their cheapest offering is $5/month for an Atom, 2G RAM, and 500G harddrive. But where the value really lies is a step up to about $25 where you start getting non-Atom processors, 16+G of RAM, and 1+TB harddrives. Also free bandwidth. It's a real dedicated server so you can install whatever o…

Why would you need KVM access, you can activate their rescue image to boot from, which allows you to mount your hard drive and inspect the system?

If you install a custom kernel and it crashes or hangs before it gets far enough to write the logs to the disk, the rescue image doesn't help figure out why the custom kernel isn't booting up.

Re: C2: Affordable X86-64 Servers

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Using this for a remote backup server would be cool. Start the server, copy over backup, take their "storage snapshot", and turn off the server. Lets do some napkin math: (In USD) - $0.01/hr USD - 10hr of backups each day (Heavy Usage) - 10 cents/day, $3/month, $36/year You can also take snapshots. So that's extra cool. Edit: Calculations for 150GB storage instances: - €0.01/hr (@ 150GB of storage) - 20hr of backups…

> take their "storage snapshot", and turn off the server Or rather, turn off the server and then take the storage snapshot, which is the order you have to do it. And you have to snapshot and reincarnate just in order to attach or detach a volume, which means adding some more storage space requires several hours downtime, which is a nuisance. Although apart from that, I have found them very good.

For this usecase several hours of downtime is not much of a problem. In fact, the server will be off for more time then it's not. If you want to upgrade: wait until the backups are done and you should have 12hr till your next backup.

I'd hope that's more than enough time to expand a snapshot.

Also, how does pricing work for hourly servers? Is it still a quid a month?

Re: C2: Affordable X86-64 Servers

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> KVM access is expensive Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but I got the impression that KVM access on KimSufi or SoYouStart requires somebody to walk over to your machine and plug a USB key into your machine. That would explain why it costs $30.

Not really in a data center. They have embedded firmware for KVM e.g. Dell's DRAC, HP's ILO, Oracle's ILOM, Intel's RMM2, and IPMI. Plugging and unplugging things into a server can be operationally hazardous and is definitely tedious.

OVH's more expensive servers do use IPMI and include free KVM. Their cheaper kimsufi and soyoustart offerings use a USB KVM to ethernet device, and charge for its usage.

Re: C2: Affordable X86-64 Servers

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Please run nbench [1]. I ran it on the C1 in April 2015 and got the following results: CPU : 4 CPU L2 Cache : OS : Linux 3.2.34-29 C compiler : gcc version 4.8.2 (Ubuntu/Linaro 4.8.2-19ubuntu1) libc : libc-2.19.so MEMORY INDEX : 5.859 INTEGER INDEX : 8.164 FLOATING-POINT INDEX: 5.770 For comparison, here are an Intel Atom N450, a Core 2 Duo L7500 and a Raspberry Pi 1 Model B: CPU : Dual GenuineIntel Intel(R) Atom(TM)…

Here are the results for a Kimsufi KS-1 server which has an Intel Atom N-2800 CPU (1.86Ghz, Dual Core, 4 Threads) and 2GB RAM, 500GB HDD for 6€/month. I'm posting them here because they are competing in the low-end dedicated server space: nbench: CPU : 4 CPU GenuineIntel Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU N2800 @ 1.86GHz 798MHz L2 Cache : 512 KB OS : Linux 4.2.0-25-generic C compiler : gcc version 4.8.4 (Ubuntu 4.8.4-2ubuntu1~14.…

I am still paying £3 a month for one of those! Shame they don't still sell them at those prices.

Re: C2: Affordable X86-64 Servers

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Invite only.... So you cannot even get them. What's the use of this announcement?

Free advertising, I guess. I also hate the criminal false advertising as "now available".

Ha. "I can't sign up for a new account and use this service right now, so nobody should care".

K.

Re: C2: Affordable X86-64 Servers

#170

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How "reliable" are those numbers in estimating real application performance? I've run nbench for a 1 CPU VM in EC2, and a 2 CPU VM in DO, and the former is a lot faster ( almost 2x ) than the latter! EC2 Ubuntu ( 1 CPU ) ==============================LINUX DATA BELOW=============================== CPU : GenuineIntel Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5-2676 v3 @ 2.40GHz 2400MHz L2 Cache : 30720 KB OS : Linux 3.13.0-74-generic C c…

This is helpful but you're not mentioning what instance type at EC2.. t2 and t1 instances do heavy throttling after you use up your CPU credits[1] so it's likely that you were just using all or most of a full Xeon CPU. I got similar results on even a t2.nano.. until I used up the CPU credits. Then it slowed to a crawl! Also keep in mind that nbench only tests a single CPU[2]. Apples to apples would probably be a smal…

If nbench only uses 1 core, yes, my comparison is wrong. Is there a similar benchmarking linux tool that can use many cores?

edit: instance is a t2.micro

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