So this goes both ways and the German citizens can monitor their government right?
German government to use Trojan spyware to monitor citizens
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Re: German government to use Trojan spyware to monitor citizens
#162Relevant: > According to a 2008 decision by the German Constitutional Court, remote access to a citizen's computer is permissible only if there is life-threatening danger or suspicion of criminal activity against the state.
This is really the key point with regards to mass surveillance, isn't it? It's not about protecting citizens from harm, it's about entrenching the existing power structure.
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#163Earlier quoted context omitted.
Nothing. Also nothing is stopping anti-virus companies from making their software detect the "Bundestrojaner" as soon as they have learned to recognize it. They have done this with the previous version, too: https://www.avira.com/en/support-for-home-knowledgebase-deta... (2011)
For context, Avira is a German anti-virus company.
Thanks. I wasn't actually aware they're a German company. This should make it even more reassuring though: if even German anti-virus companies won't give it any special treatment, this really makes it no more of a concern than any other malware from the user's POV (other than the political debate of course).
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#164Earlier quoted context omitted.
You're conveniently letting out the part about the racist remarks which are the actual cause. I'm all in favor of not letting racists teach children.
I'm against censoring. What I read here: >>hatte ... von einem "lebensbejahenden afrikanischen Ausbreitungstyp" gesprochen - was von Experten als rassistisch gewertet worden war [1] http://www.focus.de/politik/videos/er-hatte-sport-und-geschi...
can you translate this phrase? google translate produces "life-affirming African propagation type", which doesn't have any clear meaning...
Re: German government to use Trojan spyware to monitor citizens
#165Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm against censoring. What I read here: >>hatte ... von einem "lebensbejahenden afrikanischen Ausbreitungstyp" gesprochen - was von Experten als rassistisch gewertet worden war [1] http://www.focus.de/politik/videos/er-hatte-sport-und-geschi...
can you translate this phrase? google translate produces "life-affirming African propagation type", which doesn't have any clear meaning...
The intended and implied meaning "the African race has more sex and reproduces faster"
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#166Earlier quoted context omitted.
If you're referring to the Holocaust, the state-orchestrated mass-murder part of it was actually ten million dead, not six.
And there is no something as a 'jewish race'.
You should probably take another look at some discussions around the definition of race in modern times. It certainly can be used to refer to a grouping of people by common culture, such as the "Jewish" race.
As a side note, I've seen some pretty heated arguments about this. It's a bit strange to me why this is such a contentious subject. Is this coming from people who still think we have cleanly delineated "races" like Caucasoid, Mongoloid & Negroid?
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#167Earlier quoted context omitted.
You're conveniently letting out the part about the racist remarks which are the actual cause. I'm all in favor of not letting racists teach children.
I'm against censoring. What I read here: >>hatte ... von einem "lebensbejahenden afrikanischen Ausbreitungstyp" gesprochen - was von Experten als rassistisch gewertet worden war [1] http://www.focus.de/politik/videos/er-hatte-sport-und-geschi...
You're mistaken. There's no censoring going on at all. Höcke is free to say whatever he wants in public. He even gets more publicity and reach than most people. However, freedom of speech doesn't mean that statements are without consequence. He already collected a warning for voicing extreme right tendencies earlier (before the AFD even existed) and well, now there's consequences. He's a history teacher and fringe right wing people are just the kind of history teachers that are unfit for the job. (fringe left-wing nutcases as well).
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#168Earlier quoted context omitted.
When I started working in public sector I had to sign that I'm not a member of an unconstitutional group. As examples it included a list similar to this one: https://www.justiz.bayern.de/media/pdf/verzeichnis_extrorgan... It includes left-wing, right-wing, and islamist extremist groups. Interestingly this list also contains the leftist party "Die Linke" which now has been a member of the federal parliament for a rath…
Very interesting list, but perhaps it is meant to include some hardline former members of the SED?
Die Linke is seen by some as some sort of pariah in the German political landscape, due to its legacy and roots in the SED from which they never really distanced themselves in a very clear form. It's a bit of a touchy topic and the expansion to west Germany swept up a lot of nutcases, some of them in the more extremist spectrum. The topic gets even more confused since they're fairly well rooted in Eastern Germany where they are basically a left wing form of the SPD while they never managed to achieve that success in the West.
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#169Earlier quoted context omitted.
You're missing the key difference here: The maximum an anti-nuclear protester could hope to achieve through his or her actions would be to have the country quit nuclear power generation, nuclear waste storage, etc. The political views of a far-right politician such as Höcke (probably aka Landolf Ladig[1]), if you translate them into what he hopes to turn Germany into, threaten the liberal democratic basis of the Germ…
This is drifting beside the original point, but my understanding is that the anti-nuclear movement in Germany has established a non-negligible violent culture. If you go to these protests, you know you're going to participate in or give vocal support for violent action. http://www.dw.com/en/clashes-between-police-and-anti-nuclear...
(I don't mind drifting for a bit)
A considerable part of their actions is very disruptive, seeking to, in the view of the protesters, I imagine, annoy everybody involved in the transport of nuclear waste to such an extent that they'll give up, while in actuality just causing a financial burden for the taxpayer (17000(!) policemen were in service during the protest you linked to according to [1]). That includes the traditional "Schottern" (the "[removal of] gravel from the bed of the train tracks to stop the train" as the article calls it), see also [2].
Even encouraging others to go "Schottern" on the internet is punishable[3] (sorry, again only in German) and punished, though.
And with respect to physical attacks, I think those protesters are rather harmless. I believe not a single policeman was injured in the aforementioned protests, even though thousands of protests were there (1500 at some point, 5000 at another point in time).
[1] http://www.zeit.de/politik/deutschland/2010-11/castor-gorleb... [2] https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schottern [3] http://www.oberlandesgericht-celle.niedersachsen.de/portal/l...
Re: German government to use Trojan spyware to monitor citizens
#170Goog luck hacking in my Ubuntu box with latest patches and an iptables firewall...
The only reasonable way to obtain people's data is to lock them in some Guantanamo like infrastructure and get their password.
Betting on weak security as a mean to control people can't eventually prevail because open systems get patched at faster speed than vulnerabilities found.