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This is party time; Internet Explorer 8, 9 and 10 die on Tuesday

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Re: This is party time; Internet Explorer 8, 9 and 10 die on Tuesday

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Post by ehnto »

tracker1 wrote: post #133
ehnto wrote: post #91

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It really, really depends on your site's demographic. Example: skin care website, they sell women's beauty and anti aging products. Their demographic is 15% IE8, but you know who are most likely to buy their products? Mature women, who are also more likely to be the ones in that 15%. The next part of that puzzle was when they launched into China. China has a huge population still on XP and IE8. Literally millions of…

I would think mature women would be the ones more likely to be using an iPad/iPhone. I've worked in several positions where the demographics are skewed towards middle age, and the use of the iPad alone is far larger than IE<11.

Sorry I probably worded that poorly. In their sample they found that those in the 15% were normally mature women.

This isn't to say the majority of mature women use IE8 or that only mature women use IE8, just that they were over-represented inside that 15% and they were purchasing customers.

You are right that iPads and iPhones are the majority of their demographic.

Re: This is party time; Internet Explorer 8, 9 and 10 die on Tuesday

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Post by aidenn0 »

danieltillett wrote: post #50
nitrogen wrote: post #44

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Firefox probably won't help with non-browser software, if that's what the parent comment was referring to. I also have to develop an app for a client for XP because of some proprietary hardware that still doesn't have a Windows 7/8/10 driver.

Yes this is my problem. The hardware manufacturer does not want to support upgrades (they want to sell new hardware) and so I am stuck supporting XP. In my situation there is not even hardware the customer can upgrade to as the original hardware supplier has left the market. We are all stuck with XP until something catastrophic happens.

I know a chemist still stuck with a windows 98 machine for a similar reason (it's the most recent OS that a particular piece of lab equipment has a driver for).

Re: This is party time; Internet Explorer 8, 9 and 10 die on Tuesday

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Post by nitrogen »

aidenn0 wrote: post #162
danieltillett wrote: post #50

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Yes this is my problem. The hardware manufacturer does not want to support upgrades (they want to sell new hardware) and so I am stuck supporting XP. In my situation there is not even hardware the customer can upgrade to as the original hardware supplier has left the market. We are all stuck with XP until something catastrophic happens.

I know a chemist still stuck with a windows 98 machine for a similar reason (it's the most recent OS that a particular piece of lab equipment has a driver for).

There are developers out there who would be willing to write new drivers if the manufacturers won't and the labs are willing to pay.

Re: This is party time; Internet Explorer 8, 9 and 10 die on Tuesday

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Post by icebraining »

jessaustin wrote: post #159
icebraining wrote: post #115

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I don't see how that follows, seeing as the IE dominance era came years after the consent decree was signed (2000-2003).

The implication is that absent the consent decree IE would have been more dominant in that era, and that the dominance would have lasted longer than it did. This is plausible, since a world of sites built with non-web-standard crap would have been barren ground for nascent Firefox. It was for that exact purpose that IE has always been the way it has been, and would have been worse without the decree. Yeah, we're grat…

But the consent decree didn't impede the creation of non-web-standard crap, and in fact XHR was made after it was signed, so how did it help?

Remember that "the decree does not address any of Microsoft's applications software." It only regarded their dealings with OEMs.

Re: This is party time; Internet Explorer 8, 9 and 10 die on Tuesday

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Post by drdaeman »

jessaustin wrote: post #157
drdaeman wrote: post #155

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Probably because Edge is a Metro/ModernUI app that doesn't work on Vista and 7.

So... not actually standalone. Chrome and Firefox don't have that dependency. I guess that memo still hasn't been sent.

But it's perfectly normal to depend on some OS parts and have minimum version requirements. Happens with everything out there, just that thresholds are different. Any recent Chrome doesn't run on Windows XP. IE11 doesn't run on Vista. Edge doesn't run on 7. Safari 7 doesn't run on OS X 10.8.

What do you propose to MS - to spend time supporting Windows Vista? Or make a browser that supports it? Bet they just don't care about Vista, besides security patches and alike stuff that they have to do under various enterprise contracts. Given that they go lengths to persuade 7 & 8.x users into upgrading to 10, doubt they care much about those versions, too.

Re: This is party time; Internet Explorer 8, 9 and 10 die on Tuesday

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Post by totony »

tracker1 wrote: post #130
cpeterso wrote: post #128

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Chrome will drop support for Windows Vista and XP in April 2016. Firefox still supports Windows versions all the way back to XP SP2. About 14% of Firefox users still run XP!

Maybe it's time to stop running a 10+ year old operating system?

Why? It does the jobs well enough

Re: This is party time; Internet Explorer 8, 9 and 10 die on Tuesday

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Post by danieltillett »

nitrogen wrote: post #164
aidenn0 wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know a chemist still stuck with a windows 98 machine for a similar reason (it's the most recent OS that a particular piece of lab equipment has a driver for).

There are developers out there who would be willing to write new drivers if the manufacturers won't and the labs are willing to pay.

The problem is for an individual lab the cost is very high - there needs to be some sort of forum where labs can get together and put a bounty together for new drivers.

Re: This is party time; Internet Explorer 8, 9 and 10 die on Tuesday

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Post by danieltillett »

nitrogen wrote: post #55
danieltillett wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes this is my problem. The hardware manufacturer does not want to support upgrades (they want to sell new hardware) and so I am stuck supporting XP. In my situation there is not even hardware the customer can upgrade to as the original hardware supplier has left the market. We are all stuck with XP until something catastrophic happens.

Is the hardware expensive enough that reverse engineering the driver would be economical?

It would be worthwhile doing, the problem is the cost is really high for an individual lab.

Re: This is party time; Internet Explorer 8, 9 and 10 die on Tuesday

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Post by diezge »

tracker1 wrote: post #130
cpeterso wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Chrome will drop support for Windows Vista and XP in April 2016. Firefox still supports Windows versions all the way back to XP SP2. About 14% of Firefox users still run XP!

Maybe it's time to stop running a 10+ year old operating system?

Only those with Windows 7/8 can get the free upgrade to 10 and W7/W8 themselves aren't free, which could be a factor to some.
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