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62% of Americans Have Under $1,000 in Savings, Survey Finds

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Re: 62% of Americans Have Under $1,000 in Savings, Survey Finds

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And people wonder why they say Tech is out of touch. Reading the comments here is a great demonstration. Examples: > who uses savings accounts anymore? > Cash on hand or it's invested in stocks, bonds and my home. > The truth is you're losing more money by not having any of it generating higher potential yields. > the total net worth of my wife and me is many orders of magnitude greater than what our savings account…

Thank you. This is the only interesting comment in this thread.

Re: 62% of Americans Have Under $1,000 in Savings, Survey Finds

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And people wonder why they say Tech is out of touch. Reading the comments here is a great demonstration. Examples: > who uses savings accounts anymore? > Cash on hand or it's invested in stocks, bonds and my home. > The truth is you're losing more money by not having any of it generating higher potential yields. > the total net worth of my wife and me is many orders of magnitude greater than what our savings account…

This doesn't parse. You just said the median household income is $51,939. That's a ton of money. I and many spend far less than that. http://www.mrmoneymustache.com/2015/01/16/exposed-the-mmm-fa...

Even throwing on a mortgage payment a couple can easily afford this - and this is a lot of luxury.

Re: 62% of Americans Have Under $1,000 in Savings, Survey Finds

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You're exactly the kind of person this article is pointing out, because your ability to be wiped away by the market is a precarious position to be in.

I think you're implicitly doing an asset allocation for the poster. > Cash on hand or it's invested in stocks, bonds and my home. That could be $100k on hand in checking, $600k in stocks/bonds, and $200k in home equity, with $0 in a savings account. Asset allocations that don't use savings accounts are not necessarily 'precarious'. Also, it's worth noting that most financial advisors do not recommend that you keep a…

>most financial advisors do not recommend that you keep a significant portion of your assets in savings accounts.

This, of course, depends entirely on the individual and their circumstances.

Re: 62% of Americans Have Under $1,000 in Savings, Survey Finds

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I think you're implicitly doing an asset allocation for the poster. > Cash on hand or it's invested in stocks, bonds and my home. That could be $100k on hand in checking, $600k in stocks/bonds, and $200k in home equity, with $0 in a savings account. Asset allocations that don't use savings accounts are not necessarily 'precarious'. Also, it's worth noting that most financial advisors do not recommend that you keep a…

everytime someone says that, I always think of a great quote by Nouriel Roubini: "asked whether he invests in stocks, he replied, "Not as much these days. I used to have a lot in equities—about 75%—but over the past three years, I’ve had about 95% in cash and 5% in equities. You’re not getting much from savings these days but earning 0% is better than losing 50%." [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nouriel_Roubini

Really bad advice. The stock did stupidly well after that.

Re: 62% of Americans Have Under $1,000 in Savings, Survey Finds

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There's a conversation to be had about many Americans living in precarious financial situations, but the reason why most Americans don't currently view their savings accounts as priorities is because in the current interest rate environment savings accounts and CDs are products with vanishingly little to recommend them. The APY my bank offers is one basis point . That's $1 per year for every $10k held in the account.…

> There's a conversation to be had about many Americans living in precarious financial situations

There is! And much more interesting imo than whether the stats are borked because the savings are somewhere else than a literal savings account. Even taking this into consideration, I doubt the 62% figure improves very much.

Re: 62% of Americans Have Under $1,000 in Savings, Survey Finds

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MMM has at least two rental properties and is a phoney. He can teach his kid to be a rentier by borrowing long and taking advantage of the separation between the value of labour vs assets when fiat money is over-issued by private banks. And how to run a web-site about being frugal whilst deriving rental income from three families who cannot save because they are busy working hard to keep MMM pumping out half-truths o…

I think you're being a bit unfair. I have no doubt he is pretty frugal. That said, I'm not a huge fan of his schtick but recognize that there are people who probably benefit from the over-the-top exhortations to avoid spending money. A lot of people fritter away a lot on things that they don't need and may not even especially enjoy. Which has been my main takeaway on those occasions when I've skimmed his site. Whatev…

The frugal stuff is rubbish. He can be frugal because the main outgoing for any family is rent. He's taking in two rents. The rest is just a cheap show.

The reason why we are all suffering is because of rentiers. It's not because we have slightly expensive data plans on our phone. Rentiers are using this to explain away the real problem. This guy is along for the ride for the web-clicks.

Go on his site and ask a question that gives the info that he has two rental properties and see if he lets it through moderation. Be polite as you can. He won't. MMM knows where it's at.

Re: 62% of Americans Have Under $1,000 in Savings, Survey Finds

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Individuals have a variety of options for where to invest excess cash. On a slightly different subject, does anybody have any advice what a small business should do with cash? Are there practical or relatively safe ways to get a return on a corp's cash on hand beyond basic interest?

Re: 62% of Americans Have Under $1,000 in Savings, Survey Finds

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Curious, not criticizing: What is your plan if you get sick or laid off, or for some other reason need a large amount of cash immediately? I always thought it was common advice to keep ~6mo living expenses in cash savings for emergencies.

You sell the stocks and bonds and have cash the same or next day. You can also take a home equity loan.

If the market declines significantly, and you're still a long-term bull (inherent to the buy and hold strategy), you probably don't want to sell until the asset recovers.

Re: 62% of Americans Have Under $1,000 in Savings, Survey Finds

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And people wonder why they say Tech is out of touch. Reading the comments here is a great demonstration. Examples: > who uses savings accounts anymore? > Cash on hand or it's invested in stocks, bonds and my home. > The truth is you're losing more money by not having any of it generating higher potential yields. > the total net worth of my wife and me is many orders of magnitude greater than what our savings account…

Without really disagreeing with a number of things you say, it's also fair to say that we have an entire article based around a question the answer to which is essentially meaningless (given how low interest rates on checking accounts are). I expect that, for a broader population, a better question would be around the size of their "emergency fund."
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