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Evernote cuts 47 employees and shuts down 3 offices

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Re: Evernote cuts 47 employees and shuts down 3 offices

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Post by FreakyT »

pconner wrote: post #148
jason_slack wrote: post #106

I was an Evernote Premium customer and enjoyed multi-device syncing and private notebooks. I had my own account, paid for out of my own pocket for a year. The company I worked for also decided to used Evernote and I could see our "Team" notebooks, right along with my stuff. When the company stopped using it, not only did I lose the "Team" notebooks, it took all of my personal data with it. I lost everything. Support…

Evernote is probably the buggiest "professional" software I've ever used. While I never lost all of my data, I lost a few individual notes, and I lost formatting on my notes (e.g. bullet points/numbers) so frequently that I just resorted to using plaintext/whitespace formatting.

> I lost formatting on my notes (e.g. bullet points/numbers) so frequently that I just resorted to using plaintext/whitespace formatting.

So glad to see that I wasn't the only one. OneNote got the list formatting right in its original version (2003!), yet Evernote has steadfastly refused to do anything about how bad their own implementation is.

Re: Evernote cuts 47 employees and shuts down 3 offices

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Post by smoyer »

jmadsen wrote: post #21
JustSomeNobody wrote: post #10

I know that it is the common vernacular, but you didn't let them go, you fired them. Surely they would prefer to not go and continue to pay their mortgage. I'm sure it wasn't easy to fire them, but don't try and make the situation rosey. The folks who decided on the direction of the company decided wrong and now they have to fire the people who executed those decision. Edit: Would you all prefer the word "Terminated"…

It's more than common vernacular in English. "Fired" implies wrong-doing on their part. "Laid off" or "let them go" means the company couldn't afford to pay them, or didn't need them anymore. It leaves no black mark against their name.

I agree - "Fired" clearly implies wrong-doing. I never had a problem firing people who deserved it (and met HR's thresholds for firing). On the other hand, the worst thing I ever had to do is lay people off (who were working hard) because the company's fortunes had declined and we couldn't afford to pay them.

What made it worse was the morning of the lay-off, one of them told me a joke: "What's the difference between a recession and a depression? A recession is when your neighbor loses his job, a depression is when you lose yours". You know why a good manager goes into his office and closes the door after executing the "terminations"? In my case, it was to hide the fact that I was crying.

Re: Evernote cuts 47 employees and shuts down 3 offices

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Post by [deleted] »

jason_slack wrote: post #106

I was an Evernote Premium customer and enjoyed multi-device syncing and private notebooks. I had my own account, paid for out of my own pocket for a year. The company I worked for also decided to used Evernote and I could see our "Team" notebooks, right along with my stuff. When the company stopped using it, not only did I lose the "Team" notebooks, it took all of my personal data with it. I lost everything. Support…

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Re: Evernote cuts 47 employees and shuts down 3 offices

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Post by robryan »

tajano wrote: post #44
cyberpanther wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My prediction, the next dead unicorn: Dropbox They are similar in that they haven't made anything note worthy in a while and their main product is really just a feature of bigger companies apps and services.

Another prediction: Twitter. 2k+ engineers on staff without notable improvements to the core user-facing product in a while. Declining signups, declining engagement. Nobody stepping into the permanent CEO role. I don't see how this ends well.

Twitter isn't going anywhere, it just might not fulfil the high expectations of the later stage/ public investors. Worst case for Twitter is probably a massive acquisition by Facebook/Google/Microsoft.

Re: Evernote cuts 47 employees and shuts down 3 offices

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Post by lemevi »

copperx wrote: post #129
jason_slack wrote: post #106

I was an Evernote Premium customer and enjoyed multi-device syncing and private notebooks. I had my own account, paid for out of my own pocket for a year. The company I worked for also decided to used Evernote and I could see our "Team" notebooks, right along with my stuff. When the company stopped using it, not only did I lose the "Team" notebooks, it took all of my personal data with it. I lost everything. Support…

This is insane. Although I believe Evernote is one of the few products that allow you to export your data.

Exporting your Dropbox data is just dragging your files out of the dropbox folder or just turning off synching. I mean it doesn't include your event log or old stuff and you have to have separate client applications for the things Evernote does (like web clippings etc) but yeah, Dropbox. I have not lost any data with it and I was able to recover data I did lose through their amazing deleted item retrieval tool.

Re: Evernote cuts 47 employees and shuts down 3 offices

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Post by lemevi »

gutnor wrote: post #104
eli wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

File sync is a feature of the Google Suite, but Dropbox is much better than Google Drive. Dropbox gets a lot of subtle things right. Maybe in the long term you're right, but I'm not so sure. I think Dropbox Teams is too expensive but I'm paying it anyway because I think it's that much better. (I think that's a sign they set the prices exactly right)

Dropbox problem is that it was obviously better several years ago so its user acquisition was easy. Nowadays dropbox needs to convince user of other services that it is better. On paper though, dropbox provides less for more money - that's going to be difficult. I share your opinion - they are better. The reason I know is because I have been a client for years and they never let me down even in weird syncing scenario…

Dropbox is undeniably better. It gets synching right and this is so incredibly important. People should be rooting for Dropbox, not hoping for its demise. Everyone else has screwed up synching and screwing up synching means lost files! Lost photos of loved ones! Lost ideas, lost important documents! Dropbox is worth the price because it gets this right.

Re: Evernote cuts 47 employees and shuts down 3 offices

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Post by bro-stick »

jason_slack wrote: post #106

I was an Evernote Premium customer and enjoyed multi-device syncing and private notebooks. I had my own account, paid for out of my own pocket for a year. The company I worked for also decided to used Evernote and I could see our "Team" notebooks, right along with my stuff. When the company stopped using it, not only did I lose the "Team" notebooks, it took all of my personal data with it. I lost everything. Support…

CloudHQ will migrate to Google Drive, Dropbox or etc. for free.

Re: Evernote cuts 47 employees and shuts down 3 offices

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Post by philliphaydon »

pconner wrote: post #148
jason_slack wrote: post #106

I was an Evernote Premium customer and enjoyed multi-device syncing and private notebooks. I had my own account, paid for out of my own pocket for a year. The company I worked for also decided to used Evernote and I could see our "Team" notebooks, right along with my stuff. When the company stopped using it, not only did I lose the "Team" notebooks, it took all of my personal data with it. I lost everything. Support…

Evernote is probably the buggiest "professional" software I've ever used. While I never lost all of my data, I lost a few individual notes, and I lost formatting on my notes (e.g. bullet points/numbers) so frequently that I just resorted to using plaintext/whitespace formatting.

I wanted to create a competitor ages ago using markdown. But in the end I just resorted to using notepad and wunderlist.

I've had too many problems with evernote in the past. Random formatting and data lost. Support always being hopeless. I threw in the towel.

Re: Evernote cuts 47 employees and shuts down 3 offices

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Post by patio11 »

onedev wrote: post #154
rsync wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is incredible. I'm sorry that behavior like that exists and that service providers can be so terrible at what they do. It also sounds like an implied admission, on the part of evernote, of not having working backups ? I would think that they would have found some way any way to get your data back to you given what just happened.

This is a hilarious comment coming from a user named "rsync"

rsync operates rsync.net, an online backup company. They have a longstanding professional interest (and expertise) regarding these issues.

Re: Evernote cuts 47 employees and shuts down 3 offices

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Post by beachstartup »

onedev wrote: post #154
rsync wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is incredible. I'm sorry that behavior like that exists and that service providers can be so terrible at what they do. It also sounds like an implied admission, on the part of evernote, of not having working backups ? I would think that they would have found some way any way to get your data back to you given what just happened.

This is a hilarious comment coming from a user named "rsync"

he runs rsync.net
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