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Re: Chris Poole

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>everything notable cough gamergate started on /v/ cough But I get what you're saying. /b/ really is the largest board. In a way it's meant to be the containment board, or the moat around the castle. It's where all the shit goes, so it doesn't pollute the rest of the site. And oh boy, is the internet full of shit.

* raises hand * What's /b/? Because I don't know 4chan and have been assiduously avoiding learning anything about it.

4chan is divided into boards (like subreddits). For example, /pol/ is for politics.

/b/ is the "random" board (or "anything goes") and the biggest one on 4chan. Some pretty awful stuff happens on there (as well as some pretty cool stuff). Basically it's a grab-bag of Internet.

Re: Chris Poole

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By "honesty", I think the GP meant that people get to act like assholes when they want to act like assholes, rather than feeling like they have to hold in their feelings based on how an outburst might affect their reputation. Those same people then go on to have perfectly friendly and nice conversations (or at least the bar-room-poking-fun equivalent) in other threads. To me, that seems pretty "honest": you get to se…

The culture on 4chan is such that people are actively encouraged to be assholes more frequently. They start to play their role. That’s not honesty, that’s performance. I think you are completely ignoring the impact culture has on behavior. This notion that people somehow hold it in if they are not mean to one another and that they would actually and in all honesty rather scream at each other – that’s such a foreign c…

> That’s such a foreign concept to me. Some people just honestly don’t have to hold back because they are just not like that, at least not all the time.

Some people don't, sure. I was trying to make a generalization of what humans as a group are statistically likely to do; breaking it down, some humans would be assholes all the time, some a few rare times, and some never at all. (Side-point: don't feel the need to defend yourself from statistical assertions about human behavior, they're not intended as accusations: http://www.overcomingbias.com/2015/04/about-isnt-about-you.h...)

There are indeed real people who have real rage that they don't get to express as often as they'd like, though. There are people with anger management problems, or aggressive mania. There are people feeling intense (sometimes justified!) frustration in some part of their lives. There are people who are just plain sadists, and either don't know there's such a thing as a willing masochist or can't find one.

Let me draw a parallel: road rage. Depending on the culture of a particular area of the world, road rage can be either taboo or permitted. People everywhere get frustrated at the behavior of other drivers around them; that is never in question. It's only whether they choose to let those other drivers know about it that changes with each culture.

I do agree that it's possible some percentage of the assholish behavior is performance. (Though as I waved-vaguely-at in my previous post, if you can detect this sort of thing—read the intention in it—it stops actually seeming assholish and becomes more like friendly jibing. A large part of the point of 4chan is to engage in a digital communal game of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dozens, and a large part of becoming "part of" 4chan's community is building up a tolerance to this.)

But real asshole behavior—not the clever insults written with a cool head, but rather the seek-and-destroy-the-vulnerable bullying that harkens grade school—is not something you do to seem clever or liked. In the real world, in small communities, it can maybe win you "friends" through intimidation (thus why some real-world bullies do it), but on an anonymous forum there's just no gain in doing it but to hurt the other person. The sort of actually-hurtful things said by a bully aren't celebrated as successful roasts; they're just sort of left to sit there. When playing the Dozens, you don't poke at actual hard spots in the other person's life; it's bad form.

Now, of course, there are sociopaths who enjoy causing chaos and "stirring shit": the Iagos and Izaya Oriharas of the world. And 4chan attracts these sorts of people as well. But as much as they're a negative force—encouraging people to cut off their toes, arranging raids, etc.—they're rarely visibly assholes. In fact, they have to be a bit charismatic to get people dancing the way they want. And, oddly, 4chan seems to "hold" these sort of people at bay, as well; they identify with the community, attacking its enemies (Tumblr, say) and its obvious unaccustomed interlopers ("newfags") but tend to stay out of the way of the average user. But that might say more about the "hardiness" of the average user—it takes a certain self-sufficient mindset to function in even controlled anarchy, and this mindset often makes one immune to confidence men.

Re: Chris Poole

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> Good times only exist because bad times exist to weigh them against. Good times would merely be "times" without bad times. That sounds very poetic, but I honestly don't think that any of the horrible things that have happened to me have made me enjoy life more.

You may not see it that way, but the negative experiences of your life have probably taught you more, influenced the core of your personality, and made you grow more than the positive ones.

I suppose I do sometimes think about how much better my current job is than my previous one, but I'm not sure I see a universal silver lining for every negative experience.

It may be true that I learned various things from the time mom was violently murdered, but I've never once woken up and thought about how glad I am that today isn't as horrible as the day her corpse was discovered in our basement. Nor can I easily believe that the resulting years of depression added anything worthwhile to my enjoyment of life.

Re: Chris Poole

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I don't disagree with any of the assertions in the... article(?). But whats the point of this and why does it need attention? Communities feel ownership. Owners have conflicting responsibilities. The bigger the community the bigger Points 1 & 2 are. All true, but relevance to anything of anything? Very strange posting.

my blog is my public diary. i write it for myself for the most part. if people choose to read it, that's their choice.

Re: Chris Poole

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I like to see it from the outside, where you only get linked to the "best of." 4Chan can be extremely hilarious sometimes; some of the funniest content I've seen on the internet is from 4Chan. But spending any real time there looking for that content, waiting for it, that's a waste in my eyes.

I hate the ubiquitous use of the word 'content' to describe absolutely anything on the internet now. As if it belongs behind some kind of gate with locks that we should all feel priveleged to have had access to.

Check out this definition, the second one on dictionary.com:

content: something that is to be expressed through some medium, as speech, writing, or any of various arts:

Do you get it now? Is this still a problem? I think you probably just didn't know what the word meant.

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