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Hello World: Windows 10 Available on July 29

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Re: Hello World: Windows 10 Available on July 29

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Post by porker »

_fdyy wrote: post #128
cm2187 wrote: post #84

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I would be surprised if they would make such a gamble. The last thing they can afford is another PR disaster with Windows 10. Right now, there is very little incentive for a user to move on from Windows 7 on an existing machine, particularly if it is not touch enabled. Now imagine if they hear that Windows 10 is riddled with bugs and doesn't work.

It may not be perfect at this very moment, but it will get more polished as time goes on. It has to. The carrot they're dangling is a free upgrade, so think I might take this gamble. I'm not a penny pincher, but even so I cringe at the thought of paying for operating system upgrades. This opportunity won't last forever, so I'll start with laptops and work my way up.

I'll take the free upgrade too, but if there's a 12 month window to upgrade I'll take it in month 11...

Re: Hello World: Windows 10 Available on July 29

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Post by OldLikeDos »

zaynetro wrote: post #36
7952 wrote: post #30

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I have that on Ubuntu and it annoys the hell out of me. No I don't want to wait 0.5 seconds for a search result about Firefox just to open a browser!

You can easily turn it off in Settings -> Security & Privacy -> Search tab -> Include online search results

Which build is that? I don't see it in build 10074. It existed in the pre-Cortana build from last fall, but as far as I can tell, it was completely removed when Cortana was added.

Perhaps it was re-added? Or I'm looking in the wrong spot?

Re: Hello World: Windows 10 Available on July 29

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Post by sp332 »

Someone1234 wrote: post #148
zanny wrote: post #127

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Unless MS changes their free upgrade policy to be every version of Windows since XP instead of 7 nobody using Vista / XP will upgrade because its expensive. Though the market share of XP has been dropping. The only real users left are those who don't know what an OS is and only uses it to check AOL in ie6 and businesses who are too stupid to upgrade their horribly dated software.

I have to say, in general, that Microsoft's "messaging" about how the free upgrade will work has been riddled with bad communications. It is like the XBone incident all over again. Instead of simply just spelling out with a very straight forward table what will be eligible they kept releasing vague and confusing press releases. I've read articles which have claimed (amongst other things): - Windows XP+ will be eligib…

Pirated copies of windows will get to upgrade, but they will still be illegitimate. I think it's a security and support issue. It's just cheaper and safer to have the pirates running the latest version of the software.

Re: Hello World: Windows 10 Available on July 29

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Post by numo16 »

seanalltogether wrote: post #123

Seeing as the apps they showcased were all desktop and no metro, does this mean the app store will now sell desktop apps going forward? Any word on different sandbox restrictions to go with it?

Devs will be able to turn their existing win32/desktop apps into windows app store compatible apps using "Project Centennial" from the sounds of things.

http://liliputing.com/2015/05/this-is-how-win32-apps-can-bec...

Re: Hello World: Windows 10 Available on July 29

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Post by vosper »

getsat wrote: post #70

Will there be a way to buy a digital download of it? I recently wanted to bootcamp my Macbook Pro to play some games Windows-only games. I went to Microsoft's website and looked at the options for buying Windows 8. The only options were a retail DVD which would be shipped (and I don't have a DVD drive) or to upgrade from Windows Vista/Windows 7 which I had neither of. I ended up pirating it because I couldn't figure…

I'm running the Windows 10 Technical Preview on a 2013 MacBook Air, solely for gaming. So far I've only played Halflife 2, and it's much better than under OSX. I had to force it to run windowed, rather than true full screen, because full screen had some issues. I don't notice the tiny window bar once I've started playing.

The Technical Preview is free and easy to setup with Bootcamp, so you may as well give it a shot.

Re: Hello World: Windows 10 Available on July 29

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Post by Someone1234 »

sp332 wrote: post #153
Someone1234 wrote: post #148

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I have to say, in general, that Microsoft's "messaging" about how the free upgrade will work has been riddled with bad communications. It is like the XBone incident all over again. Instead of simply just spelling out with a very straight forward table what will be eligible they kept releasing vague and confusing press releases. I've read articles which have claimed (amongst other things): - Windows XP+ will be eligib…

Pirated copies of windows will get to upgrade, but they will still be illegitimate. I think it's a security and support issue. It's just cheaper and safer to have the pirates running the latest version of the software.

Then why not XP copies? That's strangely inconsistent.

Re: Hello World: Windows 10 Available on July 29

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Post by Someone1234 »

veidr wrote: post #81
kozukumi wrote: post #63

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In some ways yes it is the same. However Photos isn't exactly the most important piece of software that comes with your OS. Microsoft are trying to change how people think of their web browser. Edge is very important yet they are launching it without one of the biggest features needed in a modern browser, extension support.

Certainly, browser extensions are important to some people. But do you believe that more than 1% of web browser users install and use one or more browser extensions?

If you include Flash and Silverlight? Uhh yes. Likely over 90% of browser users use one or more extension.

Re: Hello World: Windows 10 Available on July 29

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Post by wernercd »

kozukumi wrote: post #24
agildehaus wrote: post #10

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Update often is the new mantra. Unfortunately that sometimes means "we can ship crap!".

Looks like you and I hit a nerve here on HN. You are right though. Microsoft will be shipping Windows 10 with an incomplete version of their new Edge browser with the promise of adding critical features such as extensions in the future. Basically Windows 10 won't really be feature complete RTM for another 6 months. Even if Microsoft want to pretend it is ready now. Edit: To clarify the "hit a nerve" bit, when I wrote…

iPhone shipped feature-incomplete yet people were screaming from the rafters about how awesome it was. Earth Shattering. MAGICAL!

Gotta love the double standards...

Re: Hello World: Windows 10 Available on July 29

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Post by Someone1234 »

porker wrote: post #151
_fdyy wrote: post #128

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It may not be perfect at this very moment, but it will get more polished as time goes on. It has to. The carrot they're dangling is a free upgrade, so think I might take this gamble. I'm not a penny pincher, but even so I cringe at the thought of paying for operating system upgrades. This opportunity won't last forever, so I'll start with laptops and work my way up.

I'll take the free upgrade too, but if there's a 12 month window to upgrade I'll take it in month 11...

You should.

But I strongly suspect after a year Microsoft will extend the upgrade indefinitely. The whole year limit only exists to accelerate Windows 10 upgrades (to add urgency to it).

It doesn't make sense for Microsoft to end the free upgrade program after that point. They've already sacrificed most of the private licence revenue by the majority of the people buying them already upgrading, so the remaining trickle after the year won't be significant.

But I might be wrong. They did end the Windows 8 $25 upgrade after a year for real. So we'll have to wait and see.

Re: Hello World: Windows 10 Available on July 29

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Post by userbinator »

zanny wrote: post #127
melling wrote: post #80

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I'm a Mac user so I don't care too much. However, a lot of how Windows 10 will be perceived is from the online perception created. Most people in the world don't care about the little bugs, features, etc. They simply want to know if it's worth getting. If Windows 10 is reasonably good and tons of people upgrade from XP, for example, this will be a huge win for Microsoft and the entire community. If "reviewers" compla…

Unless MS changes their free upgrade policy to be every version of Windows since XP instead of 7 nobody using Vista / XP will upgrade because its expensive. Though the market share of XP has been dropping. The only real users left are those who don't know what an OS is and only uses it to check AOL in ie6 and businesses who are too stupid to upgrade their horribly dated software.

As someone who is still on XP after having tried all the newer Windows versions (and forced to use some), I don't think it's worth relearning everything and finding out that a lot of the functionality that you used to rely on is now either completely missing or terribly dumbed-down. All the little irritations add up.

We've probably long passed the point of "sufficient for the average user" in terms of OS features, as things like Chromebooks have shown, but even for not-so-average users like me who do mostly embedded work with some desktop application stuff, it does what I need without getting in the way.

I'd sooner switch completely to Linux, which I've been working with on my servers, than "upgrade"...

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