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Death of a Programmer, Life of a Farmer

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Re: Death of a Programmer, Life of a Farmer

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post #28

I've been thinking about this a lot lately, and this post definitely gives me some motivation. I'm a programmer who loves to code and build stuff, learning new programming languages and frameworks, discussing about architecture, etc. I love shipping new features and making customers happy. BUT inside of me a desire has been growing to go back to the roots, to live a life closer to the nature. I feel the need to spend…

looks like you are getting some positive feedback with this idea! If it pushes you to act on it, please let me know. I'd love to participate in something like this.

Re: Death of a Programmer, Life of a Farmer

#152
post #28

I've been thinking about this a lot lately, and this post definitely gives me some motivation. I'm a programmer who loves to code and build stuff, learning new programming languages and frameworks, discussing about architecture, etc. I love shipping new features and making customers happy. BUT inside of me a desire has been growing to go back to the roots, to live a life closer to the nature. I feel the need to spend…

I'm actually working on something like this, although minus the hippie aspect. The biggest hurdle (at least here in California) is zoning. Every county in California restricts ag-zoned land to (at most) two dwelling units, where "dwelling unit" is typically defined by having a kitchen. There are some ways to work around this, especially if you're willing to go the "tinyhouses on wheels" route, but you get into grey zones pretty quickly.

I wrote some more in an earlier thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9437392

Re: Death of a Programmer, Life of a Farmer

#153
post #122

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Really? My daughter hated the big city. "I can't even go outside alone". Who knows, maybe she will move back when she is 20 and love it.

Thats a problem with messed up North American culture. Kids should be able to go outside by themselves in cities. They do exactly that all over the world. In places much more dangerous then normal city in US. I commuted to school at age of 9, having to switch streetcars and walk for 15 mins. Total time of about 40 mins one way. Often I would walk back through the city instead, this would take about 2 hours of wonderi…

I mean a 2-8 year old in Chicago? I consider myself not a helicopter parent.. but that seems like bad news.

Now living in a smaller town.. she can go up and down the block alone. Not worried about it. Chicago was different. We had drug dealers living a block away, and a shooting about once per week. (And this was in a middle of the road neighborhood)

Re: Death of a Programmer, Life of a Farmer

#154
post #53

Cubicle != programmer. One can program and run company from a farm.

In a way, he's doing that. Not the company thing, but he still holds a part time job as a programmer.

But then, there is the issue of focus. How good can you get at both trades at the same time, if people normally take years to go through only one of the learning curves.

Re: Death of a Programmer, Life of a Farmer

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I grew up in the suburbs and hated it. I hated the idea of having to go long distances to get milk and eggs. I'm happy now in a city centre.

I grew up in the suburbs and loved it. It was safe. I was allowed to go miles in any direction. I'd go 5 miles to Disneyland or 9 miles to El Dorado Park. I'd ride 3 miles to Knott's Berry Farm or 3 miles the closest mall. I could launch model rockets at the local school. There was some dirt patches where kids would make berms for riding their bikes on. My friends were all within a couple of miles. We'd play D&D and…

You grew up very close to me and I'm still playing D&D! I don't mind the suburbs at all, I'm very content having access to Los Angeles (with a bit of a drive) and then not have to worry about where to find parking at night when I get home.

Re: Death of a Programmer, Life of a Farmer

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post #24

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I grew up in the suburbs and hated it. I hated the idea of having to go long distances to get milk and eggs. I'm happy now in a city centre.

I have this feeling that kids tend to hate where they grow up due to all of the perceived failings and things they're missing out on. I grew up in a relaxed beach town in Florida, and hated it. My family all moved from NYC and fell in love in a heartbeat. Something about not being in the same place for too long applies here, too.

Grew up in Fort Lauderdale (city) and my family owned land over in Everglades City (country) where we would go and enjoy the outdoors. Swimming fishing and boating in the 10,000 islands. Overall I actually had a pretty good childhood. A few years ago I moved to the Bay Area and do like it here. However recently I've been looking to purchase some land just outside the Bay Area to build a small cabin and grow a garden,and enjoy the outdoors. I feel like it's important that my son not just grow up in an apartment playing on playgrounds with rubberized ground so he does not hurt himself.

Re: Death of a Programmer, Life of a Farmer

#157
post #60

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I'll tell you the real, but awful, reason why we have such restrictive zoning in the U.S. The idea behind zoning is to make sure that different classes and races don't have to see each other if they don't want to. Putting commercial retail in a residential area would give outsiders an excuse to be there. The whole "white flight" from the cities has left it's mark on zoning ever since the 1960s. IMHO, this is also the…

> IMHO, this is also the reason for really bad public transit. This is an undisputed fact, as people in those communities will readily protest the "crime train" coming through their neighborhoods.[1][2] [1]: http://lewwaters.com/2012/05/22/light-rail-likely-to-raise-v... [2]: http://larslarson.com/would-you-trust-your-kid-on-the-crime-...

That's horrifying. 'specially as I thought Portland area had good transit!

Re: Death of a Programmer, Life of a Farmer

#158
post #78

I wonder how many people here will feel uncomfortable after reading this. I wonder how many will realize this man pursued aspects of life that they've been fantasizing about or putting of for "later." I can relate somewhat, after having a child at a young age (22). My son makes me feel more full of life than I ever felt before, when I really had nothing and nobody to take care of besides myself. It sounds like the OP…

> My son makes me feel more full of life than I ever felt before, when I really had nothing and nobody to take care of besides myself. Children do seem to provide a fantastic relief for self-loathers.

What makes you call me a self-loather?

Re: Death of a Programmer, Life of a Farmer

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No, it's not arbitrary at all, it's just subjective and depends on your personal relation with the animal. Frankly, that video sounds like BS to me. How much time did she spend within family farms that raise animals? The idea that you need "invisibility" or to abstract animals as non-individual or as objects is so untrue it's not even funny.

The fact that people think dogs have higher intrinsic value than pigs, and hence deserve more rights, is based on completely arbitrary characteristics. The proof of that is that dogs are seen as food in some cultures, cows are seen as sacred in others, etc. It's all part of belief systems that, in most cases, are inherited without being questioned. I have no idea if she has spent time within family farms, but I would…

The fact that people think dogs have higher intrinsic value than pigs, and hence deserve more rights, is based on completely arbitrary characteristics. The proof of that is that dogs are seen as food in some cultures, cows are seen as sacred in others, etc. It's all part of belief systems that, in most cases, are inherited without being questioned.

The fact that the reasons are different doesn't mean they're arbitrary, merely not universal. Some cultures practice(d) cannibalism, does that mean that our opposition to that practice is necessarily arbitrary?

I think it's clear that many, if not most, are not arbitrary - which doesn't mean they are well supported; not everything is valid just because it has some reason behind it.

I have no idea if she has spent time within family farms, but I would guess that she, like most people versed in animal rights, would strongly disagree with exploiting the bodies and reproductive systems of animals unnecessarily. Regardless of it being done in a factory farm or in the best family farm, where animals roam free until the day they are sent to the house of slaughter, at a young age.

No doubt, but that wasn't my issue with the video. I wasn't disagreeing with the opposition of exploiting animals unnecessarily, just with the theory of Carnism that she uses to support it.

I inquired about her experience with family farms, not because they don't exploit animals, but because I believe they put a very obvious hole in her theory about why people do exploit animals.

If you sent a perfectly healthy dog (or horse, or cat, or elephant) to slaughter, for profit or pleasure, in a culture that sees those animals as members of their moral community, you would get a very different reaction from society.

No doubt, but her theory had more than just "people treat animals differently".

Re: Death of a Programmer, Life of a Farmer

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post #24

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I have this feeling that kids tend to hate where they grow up due to all of the perceived failings and things they're missing out on. I grew up in a relaxed beach town in Florida, and hated it. My family all moved from NYC and fell in love in a heartbeat. Something about not being in the same place for too long applies here, too.

After all, the grass is always greener on the other side..

And that is why our species is present on all continents.
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