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Re: 1.5 Million Missing Black Men

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Post by signet » Mon, Apr 20, 2015, 8:34 PM UTC

Alex3917 wrote: post #111

brudgers wrote: post #70

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Nixon declared drugs public enemy #1 in 1971. Also in 1971 the US Supreme Court ruled that Brown required active desegregation and mandated busing as a means of achieving it. [1] That's more the 100 years after the Reconstruction Amendments. [2] Racism is the weft upon which much of US history has been woven. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swann_v._Charlotte-Mecklenburg... [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recon…

That's a good point. Everyone always blames this on conservative policies like the war on drugs, but in reality liberal policies like school integration have also contributed to the issue, e.g. by creating gangs and balkanizing communities.

I don't follow at all. You're blaming balkanization on integration? Sure, white flight was an unintended consequence but that surely wasn't the goal and no fault of the policy itself. And how is this connected to gangs? Gangs can't exist in segregated schools how?

Re: 1.5 Million Missing Black Men

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Post by infruset » Mon, Apr 20, 2015, 8:36 PM UTC

baddox wrote: post #106

infruset wrote: post #40

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You are starting from the assumption that it is normal that people date inside of their "race". This is an assumption that is very often made by Hollywood movies and which I find offensive, all the more because it is self-fulfilling: if you only see people of the same skin color dating one another, you're probably less likely to imagine yourself outside of the norm you perceive.

> You are starting from the assumption that it is normal that people date inside of their "race". I think that claim is sufficiently substantiated that it ought not be called an "assumption."

Well, I would like to oppose two things to this:

- this may be exceedingly US centered, as in my country it is not quite as obvious. In fact, the word "race" does not even exist in my language (at least in the American meaning, the equivalent is only used for animals).

- I think questioning assumptions allows one to better discern what is inherited prejudice and what is a universal fact. As you may guess, I think this is an instance of the former and certainly not a permanent/immutable state of things. Furthermore, I think when one claims something is "substantiated", one should come with strong evidence.

Re: 1.5 Million Missing Black Men

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Post by kbenson » Mon, Apr 20, 2015, 8:36 PM UTC

happyscrappy wrote: post #124

steamy wrote: post #74

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The #1 belligerent nation on Earth now is uncontestedly the USA and this is not because Americans are belligerent and aggressive by nature but because it happens that the globalists and the Elite made that country their HQ conducting their business operations out of it.

The #1 belligerent nation on Earth's power is unassailable while buttressed by Europe, Japan, Australia, Canada, South Korea and others, no illuminati necessary.

You don't have to believe in the illuminati to believe that large global entities (including both corporationsand nations) will work to protect their interests. Many large nations (including China) and most large corporations have a vested interest in seeing the US do well, so their investments and interests that are tied to the US do well.

A world where the US faces sudden economic problems is a world that sees economic problems on their own horizon.

Re: 1.5 Million Missing Black Men

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Post by Taniwha » Mon, Apr 20, 2015, 8:36 PM UTC

fweespeech wrote: post #79

Someone1234 wrote: post #18

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> increasingly belligerent I'd argue that China's belligerence is lower now than it has been. They've moved from a very communist that strongly distrusted and arguably even hated the West, to a semi-capitalist one who mostly just wants to compete with the West (and makes oodles of $$$ selling to us). The US has been drum-beating against China a lot recently, but frankly that seems more about the US losing in the "tra…

The Chinese engage in cyber-espionage operations against their "peaceful" trading partners, rattle sabers over Taiwan and various islands, and so forth. http://articles.latimes.com/2014/jan/10/opinion/la-oe-schmit... They used to talk about a "Peaceful Rise" and had for a very long time. They stopped.

China isn't the only country engaging in cyber-espionage operations against their "peaceful" trading partners

https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/04/18/new-zealand-ch...

Re: 1.5 Million Missing Black Men

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Post by happyscrappy » Mon, Apr 20, 2015, 8:37 PM UTC

ck2 wrote: post #137

Balgair wrote: post #127

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To be clear, you are talking about the post-civil war period to the civil rights act period as when blacks in most of the USA were second class, correct? Because, before that, blacks were not second class citizens in any way, they were property in many areas.

Right of course. What I am trying to point out is how some naive people look around and say well I got myself a job and got myself stable without assistance so why shouldn't everyone have to do it on their own? But the thing is, if you are white in the USA, your great grandfather probably came to this country as an immigrant and lived very simply while making a little progress and making a little money. Then your gra…

Except that doesn't happen with recent immigrants who do very well, some of them Africans.

Re: 1.5 Million Missing Black Men

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Post by mc32 » Mon, Apr 20, 2015, 8:37 PM UTC

michaelchisari wrote: post #49

gonehome wrote: post #41

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I remember reading somewhere (probably here) that the same effect is shown in areas with heavily skewed male/female ratios in general. That in places with a lot more men than women both men and women converge on wanting a long term relationship, but in places with a lot more women than men - men would typically prefer not having a relationship i.e. more single mothers in NYC than on the west coast. There was also a s…

in places with a lot more men than women both men and women converge on wanting a long term relationship, but in places with a lot more women than men There's also the narrative that places where men outnumber women, men become increasingly competitive and violent towards women and each other. An example is any blue collar "boom" town like North Dakota's fracking industry.

In china where men outnumber women due to family preference for a male heir, it has resulted in straight men having to compete with each other on an economic status basis to attract women, what happens in north Dakota is not a universal phenomenon.

Re: 1.5 Million Missing Black Men

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Post by Taniwha » Mon, Apr 20, 2015, 8:38 PM UTC

javert wrote: post #108

kaa2102 wrote: post #20

I'm a Black Man. Growing up there was a realization that being alive and out of trouble over the age of 21 was an accomplishment. This would extend to middle class. Due to a history of American apartheid, there were often just a few degrees of separation between middle class and working/poor class kin.

In the US we had segregation, not apartheid. There is a difference. As a white man living in the South, we still have segregation in practice. I rarely had interaction with blacks because they did different things and took different classes at school. We all went to the same schools---just didn't have the same classes or have the same social circles. Not much shared in the way of culture. I have had some black friend…

well that and slavery

Re: 1.5 Million Missing Black Men

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Post by hackuser » Mon, Apr 20, 2015, 8:39 PM UTC

benjaminl wrote: post #147

Someone1234 wrote: post #18

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> increasingly belligerent I'd argue that China's belligerence is lower now than it has been. They've moved from a very communist that strongly distrusted and arguably even hated the West, to a semi-capitalist one who mostly just wants to compete with the West (and makes oodles of $$$ selling to us). The US has been drum-beating against China a lot recently, but frankly that seems more about the US losing in the "tra…

China is involved with territorial disputes with a large number of neighbors. China claims almost all of the South China Sea though it Nine-dotted line[0] map. There have been a large number of disputes that have resulted from that[1]. Examples are China's East China Sea Air Defense Identification Zone (ECS AIDZ)[2]. China has threatened to take action against aircraft that don't identify themselves or obey China's o…

> China is involved with territorial disputes with a large number of neighbors

To clarify, China is militarizing long-standing territorial disputes.

Also note that there is no risk of military conflict between any of the neighbors or between the neighbors and the U.S., despite territorial or other disputes. Vietnam and the Philippines aren't threatening each other, nor are Japan and South Korea, Japan and Vietnam, or any of those countries and the U.S. But almost everyone seems to be in a militarized dispute with China.

Re: 1.5 Million Missing Black Men

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Post by roymurdock » Mon, Apr 20, 2015, 8:40 PM UTC

woah wrote: post #129

roymurdock wrote: post #98

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In my experience, having a stable girlfriend for the past 3 years has been like looking in a mirror every month or so. She calls me out on things that I do habitually or without thinking, usually because they are selfish and hurt her or our relationship in some way. These are habits or personality traits that my close friends and family wouldn't be aware of, but that my girlfriend has exclusive access to as the one w…

Your comment went a bit off topic, but I'm guessing you are a developer and will be entering into a tech economy powered by the QE you find so evil.

I tried my best to address of [1] the causes of extremism and [2] the effects of male-female relationships on extremism.

I study economics and am facing unemployment upon graduation. I'm thinking of travelling, teaching, and/or working for an NGO or a non-profit.

I don't find QE evil. I find it to be an ineffective solution to a problem caused by the corruption and negligence of a select cohort of my elders who hold positions of power in this country. These individuals are not evil; we are all susceptible to greed and selfish interests. They are the product of whatever environment they were raised in.

I'm not crying and wringing my hands without offering a solution. I'm proposing that a New Deal-style investment in infrastructure, education, R&D, and the introduction of virtual currencies could help the economy in the long run.

What do you think?

Re: 1.5 Million Missing Black Men

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Post by RodericDay » Mon, Apr 20, 2015, 8:43 PM UTC

omonra wrote: post #113

picks_at_nits wrote: post #60

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Whenever I ready “Sorry to ____, but...” I wonder to myself: 1. Is the speaker truly appalled at saying the thing that follows, but it's a radical, earth-shattering insight will cut through the Gordian Knot, e.g. “I’m really sorry to question the Bible, but maybe the Earth actually is older than 6,000 years?” Or: 2. Someone’s warning detection is working, but the connection to the brake has been severed, and the spea…

The 'sorry' part referred to my comment sticking out like a sore thumb. Every other comment goes on about racism, etc - while I see a problem inherent in the subset of individuals themselves. It's a social thing - to prepare the reader for what may strike them as an unpleasant (yet I believe is true) perspective.

Wow you are really brave