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French National Assembly approved Internet traffic monitoring system (French)

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Re: French National Assembly approved Internet traffic monitoring system (French)

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As sad as it is, how many countries with low cost hosting providers [e.g. OVH] don't have these sorts of laws [or might as well have them in the case of the US]?

Germany/Hetzner?

Literally is there no one else you can get cheap dedicated servers and avoid this kind of surveillance directly inside the DC? :/

Re: French National Assembly approved Internet traffic monitoring system (French)

#152

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Why would you recommend TrueCrypt? That's a terrible suggestion.

Why?

I don't know the full story, but word 'round the campfire is that it's been compromised by a certain TLA.

In any case, there's huge red letters saying "TrueCrypt is not secure" right next to their download links: http://truecrypt.sourceforge.net/

Re: French National Assembly approved Internet traffic monitoring system (French)

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> This is how democracy dies. We need a system of government that allows scientists and thinkers to have a weighted power balancing politicians. POliticians cannot be trusted by definition

No, you need direct democracy. With modern communications, there is no reason to organize frequent elections on key issues, like in Switzerland.

The bad effects of direct democracy can be seen in elected judges in the US.

Re: French National Assembly approved Internet traffic monitoring system (French)

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French National Assembly has 577 delegates. According to Le Monde article, 25 voted for and 5 against. The rest, I suppose, didn't care to show up. This is beyond WTF. I am a client at OVH and Gandi and I hope they send a big FU to the French government and relocate. I am willing to pay a premium for that.

I've never understood this - why is it allowed that they don't show up for these votes? (Not just in france)

In Germany, ususally bills are discussed by smaller subsets of the parliament in committees.

Parties then decide on a party line for the vote.

Thus, most often the result would not be different if everybody was there.

Edit: Also, because of limited time, commitee meetings may actually be held while there are votes. So it does make sense.

NB: The German parliament however can technically not decide anything if not enough members are present. However, usually attendees are not counted. Parties can demand a named vote though, which is counted. One party demanded that once, and it was almost universially called 'unfair' [1]. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[1] (in German) http://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/posse-um-hammelspr...

Re: French National Assembly approved Internet traffic monitoring system (French)

#155
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French National Assembly has 577 delegates. According to Le Monde article, 25 voted for and 5 against. The rest, I suppose, didn't care to show up. This is beyond WTF. I am a client at OVH and Gandi and I hope they send a big FU to the French government and relocate. I am willing to pay a premium for that.

The rest, I suppose, didn't care to show up. I'm assuming it's largely strategic. "Everybody" wanted to pass the bill, but no one wanted it on their voting record since they knew it was controversial. So everybody got together and selected a small number of martyrs to go sully themselves while everybody else could keep their hands clean.

Or the simpler explanation is true - most of them didn't bother to vote because they don't give a shit.

Re: French National Assembly approved Internet traffic monitoring system (French)

#156
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It is not a hasard to have this kind of laws in France. France hasn't known dictatorship for long. French representatives don't know what a Stasi-like security state would look like. It would be harder to have such a law in Germany. The low number of delegates during the vote whows how archaic the French politic system is: they are against their own party so they prefer to be missing. There is little discussion. And…

>It would be harder to have such a law in Germany. No, we already have this law. Companies with over 10k users need to install a black box to make easy access for the state. There is also a proposal to save communication for 8 weeks, of course just to protect against terrorists.

Do you have a source for the black box law in Germany (can be in german)?

Re: French National Assembly approved Internet traffic monitoring system (French)

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post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why?

I don't know the full story, but word 'round the campfire is that it's been compromised by a certain TLA. In any case, there's huge red letters saying "TrueCrypt is not secure" right next to their download links: http://truecrypt.sourceforge.net/

http://istruecryptauditedyet.com/

> The TL;DR is that based on this audit, Truecrypt appears to be a relatively well-designed piece of crypto software. The NCC audit found no evidence of deliberate backdoors, or any severe design flaws that will make the software insecure in most instances. Your argument is just so wrong :/

Re: French National Assembly approved Internet traffic monitoring system (French)

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Direct democracy only works if most of the voters have: 1) sufficient general education; 2) sufficient domain education; 3) time to read the law; 4) time to reflect on the law; 5) peers to discuss at length and with depth the law; etc. It's more efficient to have delegation systems. The problem is that both politicians and the press are corrupted delegation systems.

Well, you can have delegates that are not actual politicians . Agora Voting [0] (a secure direct democracy platform) allows this kind of political systems... Seriously, there's soft out there that can solve this problem. Thing is nobody gives a shit about these issues and people is brainwashed in such massive scale that horrendous laws are passed w/o proper public scrutiny... [0] https://agoravoting.com/ https://gith…

I'm optimistic on this, but we need to have these new systems tested on a small scale - villages, small regions and countries - first. A big country won't push for it... and I think that most of the problems of it might be less relevant on small groups. Think diversity of origin, opinions, detachment from the end result, who pays for it... these are problems for a big country that don't exist in, say, a condominium!

Re: French National Assembly approved Internet traffic monitoring system (French)

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La Quadrature du Net has also affirmed that while they were demonstrating in front of the National Assembly, there were two IMSI Catchers. And the law wasn't even passed yet. Great example of what will happen. ( http://www.franceinfo.fr/actu/politique/article/des-appareil... link in french, can provide a translation if needed) Bernard Cazeneuve, our ministre de l'Intérieur (Tasked with internal security, i.e. police…

Why would you recommend TrueCrypt? That's a terrible suggestion.

A lot of people seem who recommend TC seem to think the same about BitLocker. To be fair, TrueCrypt has been audited and the code is freely available; BitLocker is proprietary, and the code is only available to a select few under NDA.

Re: French National Assembly approved Internet traffic monitoring system (French)

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Encrypting all communications is certainly the way to go. But, I wonder if we can make these systems completely inefficient by flooding them with false positives. Assuming we can figure out the patterns they are looking for in our communications, could this be a possible solution to force them to withdraw they "black boxes"?

Flooding the system can only work if the group that floods the system is large enough that it isn't simply expedient for the surveillance organisations to decide you're a potential risk and put you under additional surveillance. Encryption is in a similar position, but it is a far easier sell to business and the general public, and so the chances of reaching critical mass of communications is much greater.

The interesting bit is that the general public increasing their adoption of better security practices to make them invisible will benefit the pedophiles and terrorist already in hiding because their choice to hide/encrypt will no longer result in them sticking out from the masses.
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