Will Spartan be only for Microsoft OS?
Microsoft is killing off the Internet Explorer brand
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Re: Microsoft is killing off the Internet Explorer brand
#152Earlier quoted context omitted.
They invented ajax, at that time it was the best.
Sort of. IE was actually a big part of the reason developing Ajax applications was an expensive pain for many years. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XMLHttpRequest https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ajax_(programming) The original idea came from ActiveX, but it didn't take off until it was implemented across browsers via JavaScript as XMLHttpRequest over the next 6 years, and didn't become "Ajax" until the Adaptive Path blo…
It's funny, I'm sitting here desperately trying to remember what AJAX stood for without resorting to a search.
And I can't. Was it Async Javascript and XML? Or was it ActiveX related.
It did change things immensely.
Re: Microsoft is killing off the Internet Explorer brand
#153Does it really matter? Do they need a browser at all? Browsers are all pretty much interoperable now. What strategic advantage is there in developing and maintaining their own browser? Nobody pays for browsers. They might pay for content or apps delivered in the browsers. That's what Microsoft should worry about. They've lost their browser monopoly, move on.
You maintain your own browser so that you can influence the development of the web. For example, Apple used Safari's influence to push touch events, Microsoft tried to use its influence to standardise pointer events, Google's been pushing NaCL, Dart etc. In order to consistently have weight with changing CSS, HTML rendering etc you basically need your own browser - and most of the changes we've seen in the last few y…
There is also the issue of your army of tech staff doing demos and presentations using your competitors tools, or shipping your operating system with somebody elses browser installed.
Microsoft need a browser and always will.
Re: Microsoft is killing off the Internet Explorer brand
#154I'm willing to give Spartan a chance, honestly. The ModernIE initiative taken by Microsoft the past few years feels like Microsoft gave IE to a team of competent engineers and told to run with it. They dropped support for older versions of IE and upgraded the technology behind it. Firefox is too slow. As a power user I notice millisecond differences in page render times. I may be an outlier but I think most people wh…
I think you're being too mild in your side note. The first half of the IE6-9 era was part of a deliberate scorched-earth strategy to harm the open Internet, and the second half was them furiously backpedalling from that when it failed. It wasn't a technical decision, it was cynical business strategy, and having their IE brand get trashed is the least of what they deserve. I'm kind of annoyed with how quickly people a…
It certainly wasn't an act of altruism, but the entire modern web can trace it's AJAXy roots back to Microsoft's decision to eschew web standards. Microsoft added XMLHttpRequest to Internet Explorer so that they could develop Outlook Web Access.
IE may have had utterly stank HTML compatibility, but adding XMLHttpRequest and inventing AJAX was probably the single most profound changeset in the history of the web.
Re: Microsoft is killing off the Internet Explorer brand
#155I'm willing to give Spartan a chance, honestly. The ModernIE initiative taken by Microsoft the past few years feels like Microsoft gave IE to a team of competent engineers and told to run with it. They dropped support for older versions of IE and upgraded the technology behind it. Firefox is too slow. As a power user I notice millisecond differences in page render times. I may be an outlier but I think most people wh…
> As a power user I notice millisecond differences in page render times.
No you don't. Or if you do, it's a strange definition of notice. A millisecond is one tenth of how fast the centisecond counter on stopwatches change -- while one can obviously see that change, could you tell the difference between two different counters going ten times as fast, but at a difference of a couple of milliseconds? I don't think so.
One light-millisecond is ~300 km, or roughly the distance to the horizon at a height of 1000 moh, for another frame of reference.
Re: Microsoft is killing off the Internet Explorer brand
#156Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sort of. IE was actually a big part of the reason developing Ajax applications was an expensive pain for many years. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XMLHttpRequest https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ajax_(programming) The original idea came from ActiveX, but it didn't take off until it was implemented across browsers via JavaScript as XMLHttpRequest over the next 6 years, and didn't become "Ajax" until the Adaptive Path blo…
It's funny, I'm sitting here desperately trying to remember what AJAX stood for without resorting to a search. And I can't. Was it Async Javascript and XML? Or was it ActiveX related. It did change things immensely.
Asynchronous JavaScript and XML
The name comes from this post:
http://www.adaptivepath.com/ideas/ajax-new-approach-web-appl...
Re: Microsoft is killing off the Internet Explorer brand
#157Earlier quoted context omitted.
Can you elaborate on what MS would gain by tossing their rather fine kernel and using Linux/BSD? Particularly since that'd lose the massive amount of hardware support from current drivers.
One strong reason is to lure back developer love. One reason why most startups use Macs or linux machines is because open source libraries runs on linux and most of the time on OSX without much modifications. Windows is always an afterthought and is lucky if Windows support is available in a few months. MS knows this and knows that if the trend is not reversed soon, Windows market share will decline.
Most online SaaS/Internet startups? Yes. Maybe some on Azure too.
Every other type of business startup is going to use Windows because software. Call centers, restaurants, supermarkets, retail stores, real estate, financial, pharmaceutical, etc.
Re: Microsoft is killing off the Internet Explorer brand
#158Earlier quoted context omitted.
Can you elaborate on what MS would gain by tossing their rather fine kernel and using Linux/BSD? Particularly since that'd lose the massive amount of hardware support from current drivers.
One strong reason is to lure back developer love. One reason why most startups use Macs or linux machines is because open source libraries runs on linux and most of the time on OSX without much modifications. Windows is always an afterthought and is lucky if Windows support is available in a few months. MS knows this and knows that if the trend is not reversed soon, Windows market share will decline.
And that depends on the kernel interface? I don't think so. If you mean MS should start shipping "Unix Services for Windows" again, in earnest, yes, sure. But that hardly requires a separate kernel (and killing all current hardware support, etc.)
Re: Microsoft is killing off the Internet Explorer brand
#159Earlier quoted context omitted.
They invented ajax, at that time it was the best.
Sort of. IE was actually a big part of the reason developing Ajax applications was an expensive pain for many years. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XMLHttpRequest https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ajax_(programming) The original idea came from ActiveX, but it didn't take off until it was implemented across browsers via JavaScript as XMLHttpRequest over the next 6 years, and didn't become "Ajax" until the Adaptive Path blo…
IE4 was the first browser with dynamic HTML (DHTML).
Microsoft evangelized the combination of DHTML, Javascript and ActiveX data controls to build applications similar to what we now call AJAX. Microsoft was ignored for various reasons.
Microsoft introduced XMLHttpRequest and evangelized DHTML, Javascript and XMLHttpRequest. They were ignored again.
It was not until the introduction of Gmail and Adaptive Path's coining of the term AJAX that people finally got it. By this time, Microsoft had already put IE on the back burner.
Re: Microsoft is killing off the Internet Explorer brand
#160Earlier quoted context omitted.
You forget the fact that IE used to be the best browser out there.Netscape ended up being total shit.
MSIE was never the "best" browser. It may have been better than Netscape, but there were numerous alternatives -- Opera, Galeon, Konqueror, and more. Eventually Mozilla / Phoenix / Firefox picked up the mantel. Then (somewhat) Chrome, though it's getting really effing annoying these days.
IE 4 was far and away the best browser in its day. Nothing else was as fast and as reliable. Netscape had devolved into a steaming pile of garbage which had horrible resource usage problems aside from being massively unstable. Other competing browsers weren't much better than netscape either. It wasn't until years later that things changed.