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Re: CoreCLR is now open source

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Post by robwilliams »

wesnerm2 wrote: post #118
robwilliams wrote: post #97

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I work at Microsoft and everything is done through Visual Studio (C#, C++, Javascript, X++, etc.). Where is VS not used inside Microsoft?

I worked at Microsoft Excel 15 years ago and Visual Studio was only used as a debugger. Visual SlickEdit was the editor and compiling/building was command-line based. Each group is different.

Ah, that may be true. However, there was a push within my division to standardize all of our tools with VS (there used to be a separate editor for X++ but now it's all VS), and I've heard other things about other divisions.

Re: CoreCLR is now open source

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Post by wvenable »

aikah wrote: post #136
xanadohnt wrote: post #126

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Additionally, full-blown Visual Studio is totally free now. Win10 is practically free or totally free (if upgrading from a valid Win8).

well,still waiting for SQL Server (pro) to follow that trend... I guess I'll wait a long time.

SQL Server Express is pretty useful on it's own. The only limit is the database size be under 10GB. That's a pretty high limit for a lot of applications.

Re: CoreCLR is now open source

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Post by mahyarm »

WorldWideWayne wrote: post #123
Nelkins wrote: post #48

I would be curious to see the effects of completely open-sourcing Windows. Businesses would continue to use it, because it's Microsoft and they want enterprise support. I think it would get even more love than it already does from the development community. Piracy of Windows is already rampant, so they're not really in a worse position from that (plus I think that most people who can pay for Windows do so already). F…

I don't see why everything needs to be open source. People who simply don't like Microsoft will not use it just because it's open. Quite the opposite I think - they'd probably immediately fork it and provide an alternate download in order to hurt Microsoft. Are foreign governments a big market that Microsoft has lost a lot of customers from? I don't think so. The vast majority of the potential market for Windows is a…

When your debugging code, being able to see all of the code in the stack trace is valuable alone.

Re: CoreCLR is now open source

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Post by Rapzid »

pmontra wrote: post #148
adrianlmm wrote: post #121

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> Those people would probably have to buy Windows and VisualStudio licenses to code in C# in a VM or just ditch Macs for PCs. No, they can code in Linux using Vim if they want.

I never tried C# but I did code in Java with vim and emacs. Not a nice experience. Java more or less requires an IDE. I assumed C# would be the same but I could have assumed too much.

To my knowledge C#/.NET has far superior language tooling included in the box with Roslyn. They also mention some sort of Omnisharp support.

Re: CoreCLR is now open source

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Post by ptx »

rjbwork wrote: post #32
pjmlp wrote: post #13

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I wish. One of the projects I am currently working on, a greenfield application, requires WindowsForms for reasons I cannot expose here.

Doesn't sound very greenfield if you're already forced to use an aging legacy technology.

I'm implementing a brand-new GUI application in Win32 right now, for three reasons:

1) It's going to be used in conjunction with other legacy applications that only run on Windows PCs anyway.

2) GUIs designed for both phones and PCs don't work well on either, it seems to me.

3) In fancy high-level frameworks you often eventually end up calling a bunch of Win32 functions, so I might as well learn it. :)

Re: CoreCLR is now open source

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Post by brz »

adrianlmm wrote: post #121
pmontra wrote: post #117

I wonder how this strategy is going to affect the bottom line of Microsoft. People writing with CLR languages are deploying web apps mainly (or only) to Windows now. They're going to have an option to deploy to Linux soon. This means less revenues from OS and DB licenses, so it looks bad. Do they expect a large number of people leaving Java, Node, Python, Ruby and picking up C# because of the Linux deploys? Those peo…

> Those people would probably have to buy Windows and VisualStudio licenses to code in C# in a VM or just ditch Macs for PCs. No, they can code in Linux using Vim if they want.

They can also walk on broken glass with bare feet.

Re: CoreCLR is now open source

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Post by numo16 »

ianlevesque wrote: post #52
giancarlostoro wrote: post #29

I wonder how this would aid projects such as IronPython and IronRuby if at all, just out of curiosity. My only dream is that they eventually have VS on Linux.

Probably the most immediate winner is Unity. They've been stuck on an ancient version of Mono because they did not want to license tech from Xamarin. They can now have MS derived runtimes free.

Unity has been developing their own runtime for a while now to get away from the mono licensing costs of using a new version. I'll be interested to see how they react to Microsoft open-sourcing a lot of stuff they might have been able to use.

Re: CoreCLR is now open source

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Post by stefantalpalaru »

mackwic wrote: post #129
stefantalpalaru wrote: post #114

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The alternative is not plain Makefiles, but Autotools: https://autotools.io/index.html

AH ! That was a nice joke, have my upvote. :) For the curious: http://voices.canonical.com/jussi.pakkanen/2011/09/13/autoto... (tldr: autotools won't work on windows, you need a shell emulator, like cygwin, and gcc) Premake is nice, also. But CMakes tend to work better for a big project.

> a shell emulator, like cygwin

Your joke is much better. Have an upvote ;-)

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