Is Windows/Pi still an astonishing pain in the ass to talk to the local hardware? Linux (Unix) /dev is the best part. I don't have to search for obscure GUIDs to talk to a USB device.
Windows 10 for Raspberry Pi 2
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#152Earlier quoted context omitted.
> No, while nostalgic, the Commodore and Atari scene were tiny in comparison You know, when you obviously have no idea what you are talking about, the wise decision is just not to answer. Both the Commodore and Atari scenes were way bigger than the PC's in the mid 80s till the early 90s. Ask any demoparty goer if you don't believe me.
I'm not talking about pre-90s and I've been to many demoparties. Do you want to refute that the PC demoscene have had a huge impact on the modern games industry? Because if you read my original comment, that is my point. Oh, and maybe you should read the site guidelines, second paragraph under "In Comments". https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
First, I was not answering to your "mid 90s" comment. I was referring to that one:
> The cracking scene, demoscene and games industry was almost exclusively built on Windows.
Which is blatantly false. Where do you think Team 17 come from ? A number of their members were recruited on the Amiga demo scene, and that was well before PC gaming was a thing.
And huh, the game industry existed way before PC Gaming. In 1985 the Amiga and the Atari could display animations on screens with 16 to 32 colors in relatively high resolutions, while PCs were stuck in monochrome (just like the first Apple). And oh yeah we had games. Tons of them. Are you trying to rewrite History ?
> Oh, and maybe you should read the site guidelines, second paragraph under "In Comments".
Nowhere did I call you names. I was merely saying you have no idea what you are talking about, it's OK, it happens to everyone. You know, I have been on HN for a while.
Re: Windows 10 for Raspberry Pi 2
#153Nicely played. I'm a bit surprised at the amount of people in this thread equating Windows 10 for RPi with a desktop environment, though -- I'd be _very_ surprised if it had a desktop environment at all, considering that they're targeting it as an embedded system.
You _might_ have graphics, but not a DE.
Edited to add: based on this video, http://channel9.msdn.com/Events/Build/2014/2-511, this will probably be considered as a "micro" system without any UI.
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#154Wasn't the goal of windows 10 to run on any system??
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#155Earlier quoted context omitted.
No, while nostalgic, the Commodore and Atari scene were tiny in comparison. Since the mid nineties people have learned graphics programming and reverse engineering primarily on Windows. It's not like OS programming is going away, but it has always been mostly a university thing. And you could say we already are in big trouble. Since the ecosystem for multimedia weren't (and isn't) very good on Linux a lot of qualifie…
It's important to grok why OS programming "has always been mostly a university thing" in contrast to, say... a business environment that wasn't monopolized by anti-competitive business practices and set back for decades as a result, or maybe a vibrant ecosystem we all grew up wanting to contribute toward and understand deeply with low barriers to entry and a supportive community. The same could be said for understand…
Sure. I don't refute that Microsoft is, simplified, evil. That doesn't change the fact that people with positions in the Linux community don't really care about those things. I don't really see any move of note toward that either.
Even when Apple practically gave the Linux distributions an opportunity with the neglect of the Mac Pro. Here you had people who didn't like Windows, disgruntled with Apple, liked unix, wanted a powerful operating system and was overpaying for hardware.
OpenGL isn't that much harder on Linux than on Windows, so where the push for great OpenGL developer tools on Linux? Google and Mozilla gets a lot of credit for supporting open source, so why are there no decent bindings from their respective new languages to their respective 2d libraries (Go/Skia, Rust/Mozilla2d)?
There's kind of a macho attitude in open source that things should be hard. If you can't or don't want to fix it yourself it your own fault. It's great for the people that are happy with that and are invested in it, not so much for the rest of us.
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#156Earlier quoted context omitted.
Didn't we just establish that it's the system that kids already know more about?
Not kids. Teachers.
Is it not more productive for teachers to teach something they know? If a kid has a question about Linux and the teacher doesn't know Linux, they won't be able to answer the question. Likewise if a kid has a question about Windows and the teacher doesn't know Windows, they can't answer it.
It doesn't matter what system it is, teachers are best at teaching what they already know.
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#157Anyone have a screenshot of Windows 10 running on the Raspberry Pi 2??? Does it actually have a GUI?
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#158Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Seems to me Windows is a perfectly open enough OS to act as a platform for tinkering and learning about computers. Maybe, but Linux just seems more convenient. I mean, can you install gcc, golang, nodejs, python, ruby, ghc, lua (...) on windows with a single command? And all the other tools you might want to use, like editors, databases? And you will never know if they want to do kernel-level coding if they don't h…
I completely disagree. I used Ubuntu for a year and I spent more time fixing things or trying to do things in the OS than I have in all other operating systems combined. My nephew tried to install Ubuntu on his new build and hit brick wall after brick wall trying to install the OS and Minecraft. It simply hasn't gotten easy enough and I'm afraid it's too late now. I don't see a comeback for linux. http://www.google.c…
I would say that spending that time fixing things and trying to do things in the OS really helps you to learn about how some of the parts of the OS actually work. If the point is to learn things, then maybe it's better if everything doesn't "just work".
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#159OT, but why did they took so long to go to ARMv7?
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#160Earlier quoted context omitted.
> and the source code from WRK is easily available on the internet : ( http://gate.upm.ro/os/LABs/Windows_OS_Internals_Curriculum_R... ). These are sources from 2005-2006 timeframe, but they are tremendously helpful when debugging What's the story behind this? Did Microsoft willingly open source parts of its Windows kernel?
No, Microsoft has this Windows Research Kernel they offer to universities and other organizations under a certain strict agreement. This particular site probably has no idea of what access control, or directory access rights mean, so it's easily accessible for anyone.
I would regard this as poisonous in terms of IP.
If you read that code and then contribute to an open source project (or even your own) and Microsoft finds out and tags you as foe, you'll be in a very bad position.