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Re: YouTube now defaults to HTML5 video

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Excellent. It's always been weird having a mobile device run YouTube more responsively than an GBP1500 laptop because the latter had to run the Flash plugin.

Now only if Amazon/Netflix would drop Silverlight all would be right with the world.

This is where we get back to the Firefox DRM support, and kind of vindicates them. Sure, we'd love to have no DRM, but we can't get that so at least let's provide native support and axe Silverlight.

Re: YouTube now defaults to HTML5 video

#152
post #131

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What's crappy about iTunes?

It's extremely bloated.

Not that I've ever noticed (my work computer runs linux, and I've found the music players there are, at best, barely useable in terms of what I want) (banshee's the best, but it's RNG is total garbage)

Re: YouTube now defaults to HTML5 video

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This is really interesting news and I think signals what will be a really large change in digital video in the next few years. Moving from flash to HTML5 adaptive bitrate is not trivial task and if you are familiar with MSE/EME, it shows how powerful the browser has become in delivering rich video content, either pre-recorded or live streaming. With this, it seems to me there is a big gap now for encoding to new adap…

EME is really garbage (it's all about DRM), while MSE is actually useful. They shouldn't be mixed together.

Do you know by the way, is MPEG-DASH patent encumbered or not?

Re: YouTube now defaults to HTML5 video

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post #131
post #124

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What's the community using instead of iTunes?

What's crappy about iTunes?

On Windows it's incredibly bloated and has really bad UI design. Apple always used to trick people into installing Safari and Quicktime bundleware-style during updates as well. (Source: Every computer I've maintained over the years and asked the owner 'why did you install Safari' and the answer is always 'I guess iTunes did it')

Re: YouTube now defaults to HTML5 video

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HTML 5 videos on youtube take forever to start for me and would just stay at a buffering screen when I use the seekbar. This is in Chrome. I haven't tried another browser but it has made my youtube experience terrible compared to what is use to be with Flash.

The only regular issue I have with html5 player is buffering with seeking, some times things get stuck. I often resort to youtube-dl `xsel` | dmenu | mpv to help both cpu usage and streaming quality.

That seems to be a problem with youtube in general. I see that behavior all the time. Several local friend of mine also have these seeking problems, too, so it may depend on the particular cache servers you end up seeing.

I think the problems started when they changed to the "adaptive" rate stuff; the players don't don't download the entire video file anymore, and instead they buffer in segments. Not only does this remove the ability to pre-buffer the entire video, the client seems to get out of sync with the server. The client ends up waiting forever, but the server isn't sending anything.

Fortunately, I was able to switch many of my friends over to youtbe-dl, and that fixed everything. Unfortunately, the article mentions the idiotic "encrypted medfia extensions" a one of the reasons for the changes to youtube; I wonder what additional useless hoops youtube-dl will end up having to have to jump through.

Re: YouTube now defaults to HTML5 video

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post #46

What I especially like about the HTML5 player is the ability to change the playback speed. It is extremely useful for watching lectures & talks.

I didn't realize the Flash version did not have this feature. I really want to echo this. I think this is the most useful feature to use for watching lectures and talks. I find for most things 1.5x is very usable and allows to quickly soak up content. Occasionally, 2x works well but many times its a bit too much. Coursera also allows this; I think Udacity does, as well. Take advantage of it.

Re: YouTube now defaults to HTML5 video

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I use this constantly when I'm watching tutorials and how-tos. It makes picking up the info you need so much faster. I also recently discovered that the Crocodile Hunter at 1/2 speed is freaking hilarious . e.g., https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLIMgXv89VU&feature=youtu.be...

The Crocodile Hunter at 1/2 speed is amazing. I would love it if there was a listing of all videos that are hilarious at 1/2 speed.

I recommend watching Handmade Heroes at 0.5x. Its a good series but if you put it on 0.5x it is quite amusing. :)

Re: YouTube now defaults to HTML5 video

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post #114

What joy it is to finally uninstall Flash. The last time I was this happy to uninstall crappy software was when I realized that I no longer needed RealPlayer. For those that don't know it, RealPlayer was a very popular proprietary media player (with its own proprietary formats) circa 2000. The company's stock was worth $380 a share in 2000; it's now worth $6. The only explanation for RealPlayer's popularity was its D…

Unfortunately (though it's considerably more compartmentalized and constrained than prior iterations), Google is trying to replace Flash with a DRM mechanism that also requires proprietary software. So while you might think that the advent of HTML5 video means you no longer need proprietary software to interoperate with the services that use it, Google and its partners are working to ensure that that's not true.

Why would users switch to this as yet non-existent proprietary DRM mechanism when free and open source solutions already exist and are widely used?

Re: YouTube now defaults to HTML5 video

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post #149

By the way, is MPEG-DASH* patent encumbered or not? I didn't find clear answer on that. Youtube is using DASH (on the server side) to implement adaptive streaming. * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamic_Adaptive_Streaming_ove...

And does Firefox support the MediaSourceElement fully (used for DASH)? I was under the impression it did not (but was coming soon).

Re: YouTube now defaults to HTML5 video

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post #149

By the way, is MPEG-DASH* patent encumbered or not? I didn't find clear answer on that. Youtube is using DASH (on the server side) to implement adaptive streaming. * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamic_Adaptive_Streaming_ove...

And does Firefox support the MediaSourceElement fully (used for DASH)? I was under the impression it did not (but was coming soon).

It's WIP, and you can already enable it in about:config (set media.mediasource.enabled to true). But it's still buggy somewhat. It should be finished in the upcoming release to be enough for Youtube.

See:

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=881512

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=778617

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