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Re: Google Fiber is coming to Atlanta, Charlotte, Nashville and Raleigh-Durham

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Saw the same thing from Comcast in a very rural area - doubled speeds for free with higher tiers available. Went from 50 to 100. I think we are finally seeing some change.

Funny you mention 'rural area' -- my in-laws all live in the wooded section of Troy, IL... total population is like 1,000 people. Anyway, they have Charter cable over there - and for the last decade they have been asking me about 'Getting Netflix' - but with a maximum download speed of 3mbps I kept telling them "It's just not going to work well for you..." 2 months ago Charter bumped them from 3mbps to 50mbps. My fir…

That's a huge jump. Any idea what they were (or are) paying?

Re: Google Fiber is coming to Atlanta, Charlotte, Nashville and Raleigh-Durham

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Great for competition now, sure, but once copper and coax become obsolete Google becomes the new incumbent monopoly. How is that good for anyone?

So you're allowed to bad-mouth AT&T, Comcast, etc. here but if you bad-mouth Google you get downvoted. Got it.

Re: Google Fiber is coming to Atlanta, Charlotte, Nashville and Raleigh-Durham

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Same situation for myself currently. Doing some grad work at ORNL also. I'm really frustrated by comcast, my fiance and I have a hard time doing bandwidth using things simultaneously (netflix/twitch). I constantly watch our data meter to make sure we don't approach the cap. Although it's kind of baffling because I recently lived in the bay area. AT&T's UVerse I had wasn't much better in terms of the bandwidth and pri…

Unrelated to this, but do you guys like board games or really almost anything else? I made the mistake of living in Oak Ridge and I've had a hell of a time meeting people ( I mean, clearly, I'm propositioning a random person in an unrelated HN thread). When my mentor isn't around I can go days without talking to people, and it's starting to drive me a bit mad. I keep buying board games and local multiplayer PC games,…

Hah, I feel the same way! We have carcassonne and pandemic, but playing with just my fiance and I got boring quickly. I usually play single player pc games for the same reason. I'm in a bit better situation socially since I take classes at UTK and commute to ORNL twice a week so I talk and meet other students, but I'm always up for meeting new people who are similarly bored :) I'd probably be available on either the weekends or Friday, feel free to email. I'm also trying to get into hiking and exploring the area if you are into that stuff also.

I agree with your data cap comment. Although it's not just the southeast. Any cornered internet market seems to have them. They're pretty widespread in Canada.

Re: Google Fiber is coming to Atlanta, Charlotte, Nashville and Raleigh-Durham

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PHILLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLYYYYYYYYYYY! We have Cheesesteaks...

Philadelphia is insanely corrupt, owned by Comcast, and will not allow Google to build a network like these other cities will. Read about the building of Comcast Tower and how a plumbers union forced Comcast to install unnecessary pipes: http://forums.civfanatics.com/archive/index.php/t-166039.htm...

Wow! But do they know we have cheesesteaks?

Re: Google Fiber is coming to Atlanta, Charlotte, Nashville and Raleigh-Durham

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Great for competition now, sure, but once copper and coax become obsolete Google becomes the new incumbent monopoly. How is that good for anyone?

> Great for competition now, sure, but once copper and coax become obsolete Google becomes the new incumbent monopoly.

Incumbent broadband providers are upgrading offerings in response to Google, so that doesn't seem like a particularly obvious end result.

Re: Google Fiber is coming to Atlanta, Charlotte, Nashville and Raleigh-Durham

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For anyone interested... the whole motivation of Google Fiber to motivate ISPs to stop gouging us does exactly what it is designed to do. Cox, in Phoenix, miraculously doubled everyone's speeds > 100mbps last year because they were concerned with our general happiness levels and wanted to show their affection. Nope... that's not it. Ran into two leads at Smash Burger in June of 2014 and asked them on the spot "When a…

> the idea of going back to Sincere question. What are the specific functional improvements that you've seen at a much higher mbps? Better youtube performance? Faster p2p? Faster web page load times? More supportive of a multi-device household?

Really good question - for my household specifically, streaming 4k and HD at full quality to multiple TVs and still being able to game in real time without massive interruptions.

Also buying digital delivery games (steam or PSN) is awesome :)

Re: Google Fiber is coming to Atlanta, Charlotte, Nashville and Raleigh-Durham

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You don't think that the core of the issue is regulatory capture, rather than a failing of "the market"? It takes a lot of money to break into a captured market, which is why it takes a large company to do it. Google entering the ISP market has done more to shake up and spur on the incumbents in the past couple of years than anything regulators have done. And furthermore, you can be assured that their doing so is abs…

Regulatory capture is definitely involved, yes. Except it's not the originator of the woes, it's merely an instrument. It's not the bullet that kills the victim, it's the assassin that pulls the trigger.

We have empirical evidence that competition has an immediate effect on improving the marketplace. Competition is hindered because of regulatory capture. It would seem to follow that competition is the cure, and impediment of regulation bought through corruption is the disease.

Re: Google Fiber is coming to Atlanta, Charlotte, Nashville and Raleigh-Durham

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Funny you mention 'rural area' -- my in-laws all live in the wooded section of Troy, IL... total population is like 1,000 people. Anyway, they have Charter cable over there - and for the last decade they have been asking me about 'Getting Netflix' - but with a maximum download speed of 3mbps I kept telling them "It's just not going to work well for you..." 2 months ago Charter bumped them from 3mbps to 50mbps. My fir…

That's a huge jump. Any idea what they were (or are) paying?

I think it was $59-69/mo -- I know it wasn't > 70 and not cheaper than 50 from the conversations I'm trying to recall in my brain.

Re: Google Fiber is coming to Atlanta, Charlotte, Nashville and Raleigh-Durham

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In Austin AT&T and Grande (Local ISP) both started offering Gigabit shortly after the time Google announced Austin as a fiber city. It's working.

And TWC upgraded most of the city while keeping prices the same (for now at least, since at least on my bill they credit the difference in plan prices). They started the same process in San Antonio around the same time SA started wooing Google Fiber as well. Definite win for consumers at east.

At least parts of SA had competition, since there were neighborhoods served by both TWC and Grande. Long before Google Fiber I remember actually getting better speeds than I paid for on Grande. I think I was paying $25/25mbps and seeing 30-35 on a regular basis.

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Given that reality one wonder why the incumbents don't raise all their speeds to dissuade google from entering there various markets. Perhaps the shear magnitude of their collective greed obscures their reasoning?

There's no money in building "dumb pipes" to the internet. Verizon's wireline margin over the last couple of quarters has been under 5% ( http://arstechnica.com/business/2015/01/verizon-nears-the-en... ). Note Google has never revealed how much profit Fiber actually makes. The existing networks are fast enough to service what makes the money: video services. The cable companies will only upgrade the pipes to the exte…

And, for most purposes, modest (e.g. 25 Mbps) is all that most people have any need for. Admittedly, I don't have a house full of people using high bandwidth services, but my home 25 Mbps and my work connection are subjectively pretty much equivalent. Maybe if I'm loading big files from somewhere that isn't throttling me, but I'm certainly unconvinced I should pay Comcast more for something faster than my current connection (which I could if I wanted to).
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